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im lookin for a bolt action (getting new because the EE here...well...ya...also i get 10% off at lebaron, and for the next couple weeks its 15%)

ive been looking at the 700's and leaning towards the tactical AAC-SD with Hogue stock and threaded 20" barrel
looks to be the same as the tactical but just a different colour stock and threaded barrel (any other differences?)
ide like to be able to throw a muzzle break on sometime down the road if i choose.

so the other one im looking at is the Tikka T3 blued barrel. these 3 guns all hover around the 600-700$ range new.

ill be using it for target shooting and 1 week a year she will come out deer hunting. so when im out hunting im leaning towards a shorter barrel (the 20") because its easier to not knock off things in the bush (last week i broke 2 scope covers and scratched up my 870 barrel and scope covers...little oil cured most the scratches on the barrel though)

should i be looking at other versions of the rem 700?
what am i sacrificing with the 20" barrel over say a 22" on a different rem? i checked the weights of the rifles on the rem website and it looks like they all weigh in at 7.5lbs and the tikka i think was 6.5 (another benifit to the tikka)

one of the things stopping me from going with the tikka is the cost to mount the scope, i think my friend said he paid $150 for his scope rings..really? isnt that a little much?
what are my mounting options for the rem?
 
ummm.. scope rings and bases are whatever you want to put on. Picatiny style bases that i have purchased for one of my rifle is set at $300 dollars.
but my other hunting rifles will jsut use basic leupold bases and rings which will set you back around $80-100.

just buy whatever you are comfortable with. rem or tikka are both good brand but if you like to add "aftermarket" parts in the future ( stocks, trigger, barrel, )... then i would prefer rem700 line. since Tikka are still new and rem700 have been out for so long and dependable, there are just waayyyy to many parts you can play with.


You should also consider the scope will have to be decent and cannot cheap out on them.

Give me your budget on total package including Scope, ring, rifle. we can help you narrow it down!
 
Ok, before you start asking our opinions on a specific rifle you need to clarify some stuff:

1. What calibers are you considering or which one have you decided on, there's no mention in your post?

2. What's more important to you, a heavy barrel for target shooting or a light rifle for that bit of hunting you mentioned?

3. What's your budget, is 600-700 dollars your max?

Now for some answers that I can give you:
In a .308 you'll lose about 40-50 fps per inch (correct me if I'm wrong guys). The tikka comes with rings but I highly suggest not using them as they are cheap crap, and no spending 100-200 bucks mounting a scope on a precision rifle is not unreasonable. Oh and mounting options for the 700 are endless, any type, any price.
 
kimmer82 said:
ummm.. scope rings and bases are whatever you want to put on. Picatiny style bases that i have purchased for one of my rifle is set at $300 dollars.
but my other hunting rifles will jsut use basic leupold bases and rings which will set you back around $80-100.

just buy whatever you are comfortable with. rem or tikka are both good brand but if you like to add "aftermarket" parts in the future ( stocks, trigger, barrel, )... then i would prefer rem700 line. since Tikka are still new and rem700 have been out for so long and dependable, there are just waayyyy to many parts you can play with.


You should also consider the scope will have to be decent and cannot cheap out on them.

Give me your budget on total package including Scope, ring, rifle. we can help you narrow it down!
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budget... well i dont really know lol just kinda like these 2 rifles.
ideally the benelli MR1 would come in a 308 with the adjustable stock...hell ide put out 2 grand for that without a second thought... but thats not going to happen.

ive got my bushnel trophy xlt 3-9x40 that i was thinking of throwing on it and getting a 1.5-5 for my slug gun. but i also wouldnt mind a 2-7 for the bolt action.

if i get a new scope for the bolt action i really like the redfields, i read a while back they are made by leupold and the ones i looked at seemed great.
i would also like +5" of eye relief on it.

Shabazz said:
Ok, before you start asking our opinions on a specific rifle you need to clarify some stuff:

1. What calibers are you considering or which one have you decided on, there's no mention in your post?

2. What's more important to you, a heavy barrel for target shooting or a light rifle for that bit of hunting you mentioned?

3. What's your budget, is 600-700 dollars your max?

Now for some answers that I can give you:
In a .308 you'll lose about 40-50 fps per inch (correct me if I'm wrong guys). The tikka comes with rings but I highly suggest not using them as they are cheap crap, and no spending 100-200 bucks mounting a scope on a precision rifle is not unreasonable.
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1. im leaning towards a 308

2. for the barrel weight, i looked at the rifle overall weight and the 20" tactical and the 22" varmint both are listed at 7.5lbs overall.(actually all the synthetic stock rem 700's are 7.5) the tikka weighing in at 6.5 lbs is also a tempting feature...less weight i have to carry around the better, recoil doesnt bother me.

3. no real budget, butif its going to cost more for just the rifle it has to be a well justified cost. i dont want to get into custom barrels just yet, and ill probably wait a year before i decide if im going to put on a tactical chassis.


i cant find any info on the LOP of the tikka and the rem's
i like shorter stocks
 
It's not so much about recoil, a heavy barrel is going to allow you to send more rounds down range before you start to see accuracy problems due to heat. So if I have this right you want a rifle that will be good for target shooting but also handy enough for the occasional hunt, maybe a muzzle brake, maybe other upgrades in the future, and you don't want to spend a crazy amount of money.

I say go with the AAC-SD, bang for the buck, reasonably accurate, already threaded, perfect twist rate for some heavier bullets (1:10), easy to upgrade pretty much anything on the rifle, heavy barrel yet handy due to the shorter barrel. Yep I think you had it right to start with.
 
Shabazz said:
It's not so much about recoil, a heavy barrel is going to allow you to send more rounds down range before you start to see accuracy problems due to heat. So if I have this right you want a rifle that will be good for target shooting but also handy enough for the occasional hunt, maybe a muzzle brake, maybe other upgrades in the future, and you don't want to spend a crazy amount of money.

I say go with the AAC-SD, bang for the buck, reasonably accurate, already threaded, perfect twist rate for some heavier bullets (1:10), easy to upgrade pretty much anything on the rifle, heavy barrel yet handy due to the shorter barrel. Yep I think you had it right to start with.
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ya i guess that about sums it up.
how are the hogue stocks? i remember reading something a wile back where one guy said they are too soft (or maybe it was a different rem stock) so he hollowed out a section and put in a metal rod or JB weld to stiffen it up (it was a long time ago so the details are blurry)

muzzle break isnt a big deal, but if im going to get the rem700 tactical ide rather spend the $40 extra for the threaded barrel now than not have it threaded and want it threaded later.
 
Shabazz said:
both of those stocks are sitting on the shelf at a gun store near you I almost guarantee it. Go try them out for yourself then you know for sure.
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this is true..and me with the day off work tomorrow..only problem is when i go in lebaron just to look at one thing i come out with 10 i didnt plan on..

any idea if i can cut the stocks down about a half inch if needed? actually curious if i can do that with my 870 as well. i think im just going to cut that one down and see what happens. it just feels slightly too long.
 
Some people like the feel of the Hogue and others hate everything about it. One sure thing is that it's too soft and there's some definite barrel contact issues because of it. Tons of people stiffen them up using the method you described and from what others have said it seems to help. Never owned the Hogue myself but there's plenty of people on this forum that have that can give you better first hand info.
 
your other option is Savage model 10 or 12 in 308.
can get heavy contour in 308 that will set you around 700-800 and is plenty accruate.
once you burn the barrel out or thinking of modifying the rifle, there are plenty parts for it. just like rem700, savage lines do have tons of stocks and "prefit match grade barrels" you can order in.

Just built a cheap savage model 12 in 308 my self. same factory barrel and action, accutrigger set to 2lb, changed to HS precision stock, bushnell tactical 10x42 scope. Rebedded freefloated my self for 25 dollars.

Total build only costed me $1200 dollars and i am sure i can get thousands of cheap 308 ammo to go through it.
Very fun plinking rifle and also will get down any game in canada... but personally i hunt with custom 340Weatherby mag or 300Rum.

if you have some questions about savage and rem 700 lines, give me a pm. i'll gladly go through what they both has to offer
 
Maybe I am a little biased, I would buy the AAC-SD. In fact, I did buy the rifle you are talking about this September.
There is a ton on info on these rifles, almost too much...
Any part you want is out there. When searching for a base and rings, you can go from $75.00 to hundreds very quickly. While there is some info on the detriment to going with the cheap stuff, it is hard to discern the advantages of going with anything more than mid-priced/level.
I chose this model as it makes a pretty good target rifle, and can hold it's own while hunting. I do not plan to hunt with mine, not worried about weight or all the stuff hanging off it (big turrets, bipod, whatever you have screwed onto the end of the barrel).
There is lots of reloading data for the 308 and some great options on the shelf.
If you end up not liking it, it is not hard to unload a R700. You can see they go for higher than retail on EE ;)
 
kimmer82 said:
If you end up not liking it, it is not hard to unload a R700. You can see they go for higher than retail on EE ;)
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well they get listed at higher...dont know about selling.
i see it you should be about 15-20% loss on a rifle used, and thats the before tax price.


so out of curiosity.
where does the SAVAGE 308 WIN MOD 11/111 INTERNATIONAL TROPHY HUNTER XP fall into a category? $539 with a Bushnell scope new.
 
ez8 said:
well they get listed at higher...dont know about selling.
i see it you should be about 15-20% loss on a rifle used, and thats the before tax price.


so out of curiosity.
where does the SAVAGE 308 WIN MOD 11/111 INTERNATIONAL TROPHY HUNTER XP fall into a category? $539 with a Bushnell scope new.
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Funny you should mention the Savage Model 11 International Trophy Hunter XP, I just bought one last friday, got mine in .223 Rem, for long range hole punching.
It comes with Savage's Accutrigger, which can be set to 1.5lb pull(correct me if I am wrong), no creep, real crisp break, I love it. Mine came with a Weaver Kaspa
3-9x40mm scope pre-mounted and bore sited, has a 4 round detachable box mag, 22" sporter profile barrel. $200 cheaper than the Remington 700 SPS or Tikka T3,
weighs 7.25 lbs, barrel has a 1 in 9 twist. Parts are plentiful, stock not too hard to find, Boyds makes some really nice laminated wood stocks for them, Choate,
HS Precision, McMillan, Manners, Houge all make synthetic stocks for them. The hard part is finding one of these synthetic stock in Canada or getting them into
the country. One annoying feature is the fact that Savage short actions have different action screw lengths, older models use 4.27" while newer models use 4.4",
keep this in mind when looking at stock options as some are only available for one action length not the other. If you do get one talk to Jerry from Mystic precision,
he is the best. Here's a picture of mine, with a bi-pod and a shell holder with little padding underneath it.

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The best advice I can give is find someone who has the rifles you are interested in, you could try the local range and see if there is anyone their that has the rifle
you are interested in. Ask if you can try it, no harm in asking. Also try going to a gun store, see if they have them and will let you handle them, compare there LOP,
find the one you feel most comfortable with that's the best way, numbers are one thing, handling them is another. In the end it's your choice.
 
maybe im wrong about it coming with a bushnell.
my friend has a savage and it came with a bushnell, and one of the ads on sfrc said bushnell but not all of them. most dont say what scope comes with it.
 
If you go to le baron, check out the TC Icon Precision Hunter in 308 and 22-250, just pick up one of each tuesday for 800.00 a piece out of the door, they are certified sub moa and they are a heck of a rifle... JP.
 
Shabazz said:
Some people like the feel of the Hogue and others hate everything about it. One sure thing is that it's too soft and there's some definite barrel contact issues because of it. Tons of people stiffen them up using the method you described and from what others have said it seems to help. Never owned the Hogue myself but there's plenty of people on this forum that have that can give you better first hand info.
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Hogue sells a overmolded stock that has a full aluminum bedding block that also strengthens the barrel channel/forestock area. I doubt this is the version on many of the Factory Remingtons or Savages, but the cost is reasonable should you want to upgrade. I would go for one of these as I like them.
 
ez8 said:
im lookin for a bolt action (getting new because the EE here...well...ya...also i get 10% off at lebaron, and for the next couple weeks its 15%)

ive been looking at the 700's and leaning towards the tactical AAC-SD with Hogue stock and threaded 20" barrel
looks to be the same as the tactical but just a different colour stock and threaded barrel (any other differences?)
ide like to be able to throw a muzzle break on sometime down the road if i choose.

so the other one im looking at is the Tikka T3 blued barrel. these 3 guns all hover around the 600-700$ range new.

ill be using it for target shooting and 1 week a year she will come out deer hunting....
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I can see that you are still narrowing your choices. For example, hunting rifles and target/bench rifles follow two different routes. Hunting rifles are usually light which usually means thin barrels which usually means they heath up fast. ... as oppose to bench rifles.....

However, if you go for a Tikka, since you mentioned Tikka 3 and Lebarron in one sentence, I would suggest that you take a close look at the Exclusive to Le Barron T-3 wood stock with Iron Sights! Beautiful rifle.
 
looks likt the wood stock with iron sights is out of their book for now. either way, im putting a scope on it so those sights would be wasted on me.

say i go with the T3, is there any real advantage to the stainless over the blued? it just seems like such a steep price jump to get stainless, vs other companies price gap is much smaller.
i bought a mag for one a few years ago when i came across it cheap...my friends been using it in his since because i could never decide on if i wanted the rem, t3 or hawkeye lol

caramel said:
If you go to le baron, check out the TC Icon Precision Hunter in 308 and 22-250, just pick up one of each tuesday for 800.00 a piece out of the door, they are certified sub moa and they are a heck of a rifle... JP.
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im avoiding thompson. they got bought out and a lot of places dont want to carry thier products till their all sorted out again. i know someone who has had parts on order for over a year.
 
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