Looking for and over and under

[salter]

I think what the spank meant was dram equivalent. In the old days, way before you were a Canuck. black powder loads were measured in drams of black powder. To be honest, I do not know which method you mention that they used to measure. When ammo started to be loaded with smokless powder some still wanted to know how powerfull the load was. That is when ammo manufacturers started to use Dram equivalent. At certain amount of black powder was used to propel a certain amount of shot and a certain velocity was expected. eg 3 drams of BP pushed 1 1/8 oz shot to 1200 fps and 2 3/4 drams pushed the same amount of shot at 1145 fps. Today any amount of smokless powder that can push 1 1/8 oz 1200 fps is refered to as 3 dram eq. load and a 2 3/4 dram eq load one can expect 1145 fps. Salter I know you probably know this. My post was just to clarify for the younger pups out there. It seems to be very confusing unless you have been brought up with dram equivalent. I think all one needs to know is amount of shot and velocity and some ammo manufacturers are doing just that.

Yes, I did know that, just trying to make the point of being clear about terminology. For interests sake, the measurement system used to measure drams for ammo was the Avoirdupois so this would have worked out to about 82 grains of black powder. Chances are this wasn't weighed anyway, so there were likely small scoops, medium scoops and large scoops.

While the bottle is not labelled in drams, my shooting friends and I do enjoy a wee dram of single malt now and then. While the more correct definition of a liquid dram is equal to about 3/4 of a modern teaspoon, we like to use the informal measurement of a dram which is about 1.3 ounces (UK). I suppose more correctly, we enjoy several drams of single malt as one dram just wouldn't be worthwhile.

 

[beretta boy]

"Cheap" guns are cheap for a reason. They just won't stand up to the heavy use of shooting clay targets week after week, year in and year out. IMHO, new guns in the market that are cheap, just won't last. As stated above, look for a used Beretta or Browning that is in good working condition and doesn't need a lot of repairs in the near future. You might even find something that is the right length and has an adjustable comb and recoil pad already installed. Get your wife her own gun, because what fits her won't fit you. Gun fit is the best way to tame recoil. A well fitted custom stock is the best way to go, but that is expensive.

Well crafted response to the original question !

 

[collison]

Thanks Guys,
Kimmer82 - I think I have decided that a Cittori or other browning or a Berretta is the way to go, I dont have access to a range until the new year, and the last time a went clay shooting was back in the Uk a few years ago. I have just taken up both rifle shooting and hopefully in the new year clay shooting again recently.
As I am trying to get my other half to agree with my spending cash on my hobbies I was hoping to get fitted out for under $1000 but if I cannot get the right equipment for this figure I will have to adjust my budget somewhat.
A friend has just this morning offered to lend me his 20 gauge cittori to try it for starters.
C.

 

[jewman22]

If your looking for a good O/U, The Winchester 101 might be a good way to go. I think Prophet River has 1 for $1350 new, in box. Very similar gun to the Citori Lightning. It should last you a long time. It is a field gun, But i find it they work very well for skeet.
Most dealers will have them in stock, but Prophet River will always have the better price, I bought a Citori Satin Lightning from them for about $400 less then it would cost me at a local shop.

 

[Covey Ridge]

The winchester 101 and the Citori Lightning are both quality o/us. Both come in 12 gauge and have similar bore dimensions and are threaded for invector plus tubes. There the similarity ends.

 

[lakeshore]

You guys ought to try 1oz loads the ladies like them an I have seenmany 100 straights at 16yds over the years.

 

[NZClaybuster]

Jeez I hate this thread, Covey Ridge is right on every point

The only thing that makes the Superposed better than the Citori is nostalgia and sentiment. If you have a special one, then it is more special, not necessarily better. I have a very special one, It aint that good, but it is special to me.

For clay target shooting, please spend the time to find a gun that fits, then find a way to spend the money to get it. I have bought 8 shotguns over the last 12 yrs. I have had one fitted, and it gets shot more than all others combined, and it performs better than all the rest.

It is far more important than the size of shot, or the weight of shot in the load. You will shoot longer days, more rounds, better scores if it fits.

SKB, Ithaca, Browning, Beretta, Caeser, Franchi, Perazzi, Kolar, etc... if they fit you will break targets. You will probably want a new gun before you need a new gun.

Make sure it fits.

If you don't know ask a grumpy old fart to watch you shoot. Then ask another one. Not the target and your hits, ask them to watch you shoot. How you hold the gun, and how it fits is king.

Have i mentioned that it is important that the gun fits?

Stay safe, keep your barrels warm and break clay.
J

 

[Covey Ridge]

Jeez I hate this thread, Covey Ridge is right on every point

What? You thought I was just another pretty face and a mean body