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Hey guys. My old man wants me to load him 55gr Vmax .223 rounds for his xbolt
I don't really wanna spend the cash on a hornady manual for one load so could one of you fine fellows tell me the COAL and the minimum and maximum load with Varget?

Thanks guys
 
Hey guys. My old man wants me to load him 55gr Vmax .223 rounds for his xbolt
I don't really wanna spend the cash on a hornady manual for one load so could one of you fine fellows tell me the COAL and the minimum and maximum load with Varget?

Thanks guys
I have a thread going, in the reload section. Page 2 , there are pics of the hornady manual , for .223 in 53,55,60 g, rnds. Look at "anybody reloading 53 g vmax" all the vmax data is there.
 
You don't need a Hornady manual or data for a V-Max. You load for the bullet weight, not who made it .

I see that you haven't stopped posting your nonsense.

In some cases you are correct, but in other cases you aren't. Different types of bullets such as the monometals, or those with pure copper jackets, or coated bullets, can behave quite differently than some other types.
 
Hornady manual ,Speer manual and hodgdon have different load data. I'm using hornady projectiles, so thought it best to stick with the hornady manual.
 
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Different companies have different labs where data was collected with different brass (brand and lot), different primers (brand and lot), different chambers, different barrels, different pressure measuring equipment, different atmospheric conditions, possibly different temperatures, different lots of powder from different years, different ballistic engineers advice/opinions, and different lawyers requirements for liability. With all these differences, how can the data from two different manuals ever be exactly the same? The fact they are even close is a testament to human engineering and the precision of firearms and component manufacturers.

Guess what, the rifle you're loading for is different too as well as all the other variables mentioned. This is why a load should be worked up for a specific rifle and a single load isn't universal for all firearms that use a given cartridge. That's just absolutely basic common sense.

Sunray isn't wrong in this instance and what he's saying isn't "nonsense". He is oversimplifying things somewhat since, yes, data for solid copper, cast, jacketed, etc. are all different (there's that word again). Generally speaking the starting loads will produce safe pressures with any common type of bullet of the same weight. You can use data for a jacketed lead core for a solid copper at the starting values. It might not be optimum but it'll work. I prefer to use data specific to solid copper since the lower starting value is often where I find the most accurate load but the higher starting loads of cup-and-core bullets wont produce dangerous pressures.

At the end of the day, a 55gr lead core bullet with a copper jacket is similar enough to any others of the same weight and construction that data can be interchanged perfectly safely. The pressure exhibited at starting loads in any manual I've ever heard of is significantly below the maximum rated pressure for the given cartridge which is, again, lower than the proof testing cartridges any decent firearm was tested with at the factory.
 
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Wait, Hornady doesn't list data specific to different types/shapes of bullets that are the same weight and built the same way? It's ... my god ... it's almost as if it doesn't matter!
 
Take it easy bud. I'm just getting into reloading so I may have some silly questions. Just like I'm sure you did when you started loading. Thank you for the information you gave and the others in this thread. Don't need to jump down my throat because im new to this
 
Take it easy bud. I'm just getting into reloading so I may have some silly questions. Just like I'm sure you did when you started loading. Thank you for the information you gave and the others in this thread. Don't need to jump down my throat because im new to this

Opinions vary on this subject. I've been reloading for three years and still prefer to go with the bullet manufacturers load data. If I use another bullet manufacturers data I do it with a lot of research and load up very carefully. I don't think wanting data that is available from the actual Hornady manual is bad idea at all especially when loading for someone else.
 
Side note, the loads for the picture shown, if there out the 9th edition, where tested from a 26" barrel.

Not sure if that's relevant to your needs, but figured I'd share anyways.
 
I was out of line, sorry. It was more of an overreaction because Sunray actually gave some decent advice and got spit at. He was pretty bad for horrible advice a while ago but has been getting better and better but many people still seem to disagree with everything he says even when he's right.

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A shorter COAL will have more of the bullet shank inside the case. That means less volume inside the case and higher pressure. In a small pistol case a change in COAL can drastically effect pressure because there is so little of it to start with. In a rifle case you would need a much larger volumetric change to have a significant effect on pressure. COAL in rifles usually has more to do with fitting in the magazine and feeding. When developing a load I pick a COAL and maintain it. Changing the COAL can be like changing the powder charge in terms of accuracy. It effects bullet jump; that is how far the bullet has to "jump" out of the case before engaging the rifling in the barrel. In some rifles with long or worn throats this can be more than 1/4" if using SAAMI COAL's. Different manuals sometimes list different COAL's for the same bullets. That's just what they used to develop their data in their test rifle. If you increase or decrease it a little while using the starting load, and keep it the same for your reloads, you wont notice anything.

If a bullet has a cannalure I just seat to the cannlure and forget any published COAL's. If the bullet has 2 cannalures (rare but not unknown) I will use the one that gives me the longer COAL if it still fits in my rifle (which is usually doesn't).
 
I was out of line, sorry. It was more of an overreaction because Sunray actually gave some decent advice and got spit at. He was pretty bad for horrible advice a while ago but has been getting better and better but many people still seem to disagree with everything he says even when he's right.

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A shorter COAL will have more of the bullet shank inside the case. That means less volume inside the case and higher pressure. In a small pistol case a change in COAL can drastically effect pressure because there is so little of it to start with. In a rifle case you would need a much larger volumetric change to have a significant effect on pressure. COAL in rifles usually has more to do with fitting in the magazine and feeding. When developing a load I pick a COAL and maintain it. Changing the COAL can be like changing the powder charge in terms of accuracy. It effects bullet jump; that is how far the bullet has to "jump" out of the case before engaging the rifling in the barrel. In some rifles with long or worn throats this can be more than 1/4" if using SAAMI COAL's. Different manuals sometimes list different COAL's for the same bullets. That's just what they used to develop their data in their test rifle. If you increase or decrease it a little while using the starting load, and keep it the same for your reloads, you wont notice anything.

If a bullet has a cannalure I just seat to the cannlure and forget any published COAL's. If the bullet has 2 cannalures (rare but not unknown) I will use the one that gives me the longer COAL if it still fits in my rifle (which is usually doesn't).
when you say to the canna lure , do you mean just before, or do you just cover it? I'm now loading flat based without cannalure, and have read that if my projectile is .224 in diameter , then I should seat it at .224 depth. But when I go by the COL , listed in the hornady manual, I'm seating about .333 in depth. Sorry if I'm not explaining this right , it's my first wk at it. Also if my cartridges fit in the magazine ,they should be good right ?
 
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If your bullet had a cannlure you would seat the bullet so that if you were so inclined you could crimp the end of the case into the cannlure. So in other words you would seat it half way into the cannlure or a bit deeper. I have never read that .224 bullet should be seated .224 into the case, but it's probably a good rule of thumb. IF you seat the bullet too far out it may not be seated firmly enough and break loose. The COL listed in the load manuals is the proper seating depth to produce ammo that meets SAMMI specs. Many of my Savage rifles have long throats and I can often seat the bullet out a lot farther than the recommended COL without the bullet coming into contact with the lands. As a general rule seating a bullet closer to the lands will give you better accuracy and reduced pressure because there is more case capacity and less neck tension. That being said it doesn't hurt to just load cartridges to the COL set out in the manual when first starting out. Once you get more comfortable you can determine the Max COL for your rifle using a couple different methods, but that's for another day.
 
If your bullet had a cannlure you would seat the bullet so that if you were so inclined you could crimp the end of the case into the cannlure. So in other words you would seat it half way into the cannlure or a bit deeper. I have never read that .224 bullet should be seated .224 into the case, but it's probably a good rule of thumb. IF you seat the bullet too far out it may not be seated firmly enough and break loose. The COL listed in the load manuals is the proper seating depth to produce ammo that meets SAMMI specs. Many of my Savage rifles have long throats and I can often seat the bullet out a lot farther than the recommended COL without the bullet coming into contact with the lands. As a general rule seating a bullet closer to the lands will give you better accuracy and reduced pressure because there is more case capacity and less neck tension. That being said it doesn't hurt to just load cartridges to the COL set out in the manual when first starting out. Once you get more comfortable you can determine the Max COL for your rifle using a couple different methods, but that's for another day.
I agree , but I've seen a Barnes chart that says the deeper the bullet is seated the less pressure and velocity will occur?
 
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