Looking for rifle scopes.

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Im looking for a rifle scope.

Want to shoot long range casually, but with the ability to move to competitions.

Looking for a FFP, MOA turrets, MOA Reticle, Zero stop on turrets also. Lowest Max power 18x

Im currently saving up to brace my self for a 3000 buck hit (after taxes)

Models like Vortex razor, Nightforce SHV, Leup HD5s ect…

Is there anything a little less painful on the wallet out there that can keep up?

Ive found a
Vortex Optics Viper PST Gen II Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 5-25x 50mm RZR Zero Stop Side Focus First Focal Illuminated EBR-7C MOA Reticle PST-5256
They are about 1500, but Im concerns about turret quality in that model. Will it track as well?

Am I missing some? Is there a brand Im not looking at? Lets hear some other suggestions please.
 
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I would guess Nightforce or Leupold. ...but pretty much anything with a Horus / Tremour reticle is out of my price range.

look through a bunch at one of the CRPS matches. For me it's all reticle, and in the under $2k range I like the Vortex's xmas tree EBR-2/7C best of the bunch after looking at Nikon black, bushnells, Sightrons, Athlons etc

**edit ** I forgot about the Burris XTR series...
 
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I'm not an optics expert, but a few to check out are;

Tract toric 4-20
Swfa 5-20 HD
Bushnell LRTS 4.5-18
Bushnell DMR 3.5-21

You might be able to find a Nikon Black FX1000 on closeout (Nikon is getting out of the hunting/shooting market)

I've heard good things about Athlon Midas tac.

If you buy used off the EE you may be able to recoup your investment when it comes time to upgrade.
 
I've heard good things about Athlon Midas tac.

Nice scope for the price. I have one on my 22 (Mil version)
True zero stop on elevation only.

Here's the MOA version

http s://athlonoptics.com/product/midas-tac-5-25x56-aplr4-ffp-moa/


Price point in Canada is just under $1300 plus tax
 
The Athlon Ares ETR is an awesome scope for the money if you want spend a little less. The APRS1 reticle is clean and effective hold overs and wind holds. You may want to consider a mil reticle and turrets depending on what type of competitions you are planing to attend. Smaller numbers are easier to remember for holds. As a huge plus side you can get tenebraex covers for them.

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Ok so ive definitely been missing on some for sure. Time to start looking into some more.

Midas TAC 5-25×56 APLR4 FFP MOA HD seems like a good contender for sure! How is glass quality and clarity? Warranty?
 
I would guess Nightforce or Leupold. ...but pretty much anything with a Horus / Tremour reticle is out of my price range.

look through a bunch at one of the CRPS matches. For me it's all reticle, and in the under $2k range I like the Vortex's xmas tree EBR-2/7C best of the bunch after looking at Nikon black, bushnells, Sightrons, Athlons etc

**edit ** I forgot about the Burris XTR series...

So you would go Athlon over vortex?
 
If you're looking at spending about $3k I'd have a good look at a Leupold Mk5, either the 5-25 or or the 3.6-18. I have 2 of the 5-25s with the CCH reticle and really like them. I'm planning on getting a 3.6-18 as well. I only use Mil reticles but the Mk5 can be had with a couple MOA reticles, I believe, including the Impact reticle which is a "x-mas tree" type.

I wouldn't touch a Vortex that isn't a Razor, I've seen far too many issues firsthand with the PSTs at matches. If you're looking to spend a bit less, great deals can be found on Bushnell DMR/HDMR 2s and they're bombproof and track perfectly (I've had 2) but I believe they only come in Mils.
 
The Athlon Ares ETR is an awesome scope for the money if you want spend a little less. The APRS1 reticle is clean and effective hold overs and wind holds. You may want to consider a mil reticle and turrets depending on what type of competitions you are planing to attend. Smaller numbers are easier to remember for holds. As a huge plus side you can get tenebraex covers for them.

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so the increments on the scope reticle,are they for any projectile?
is it for a 30cal bullet?

i am looking at a meopta with the mcwhorter reticle which is made purposely for the 30cal projectile
 
so the increments on the scope reticle,are they for any projectile?
is it for a 30cal bullet?

i am looking at a meopta with the mcwhorter reticle which is made purposely for the 30cal projectile

The increments are in mils (mil radians) which is a much more suitable system for precision/long range shooting than a "caliber specific" (ie BDC) reticle is. BDC type reticles are only really useful for closer range (say 400 and in) hunting and military infantry rifles(where everyone shoots the same ammo). They only line up correctly for a particular ammunition and once you get out to distance environmentals effect the trajectory anyways.
 
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Athena BPR;
https://marstar.ca/product/primary-...fle-scope-illuminated-athena-bpr-mil-reticle/

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The Primary Arms 3-18x50mm first focal plane illuminated rifle scope punches far outside of its weight class. At 3x magnification, fast snap shots at close range are a breeze with the daylight bright illuminated reticle, but the scope easily allows shooters to reach the 1,000 yard line when cranked up to the full 18x available at the top end. To make the best of the reticle at every magnification, it has been etched into the first focal plane. This allows it to be 'true' at every magnification, allowing the ranging, hold overs, and wind holds to be used as long as you can see them.


Features:
First Focal Plane reticle is true at every magnification
Full reticle illumination is daylight bright
Hera BPR MOA Reticle provides the most precise extreme long-range reticle in the world designed to make shots past 1,000 yards easier than ever.
Audible, tactile, and precise 1/4 MOA click adjustments
Chevron tip central aiming point provides infinitely small aiming point
The replaceable power ring fin can be positioned to user preference
Locking, Zero resettable turrets
30mm main tube
Water proof, fog resistant, shock resistant
Lifetime warranty

The 3-18x50mm is equipped with the Hera BPR MOA reticle, the world’s most precise reticle for use at extremely long ranges beyond 1,000 yards. With a holdover grid encompassing a full 50 MOA of drop, it’s easy to not just find the perfect hold over, but quickly recover and correct a missed shot by spotting the impact on the grid and adjusting your aim accordingly. Fine aiming dots are displayed in 1 MOA increments, making ranging and hold overs a breeze. When the reticle is tied in with a ballistic calculator, even advanced calculations like spin drift and Coriolis effect can be accounted for and applied to a firing solution without ever touching a turret! For those who prefer to count their clicks, the ¼ MOA adjustments match perfectly with the MOA based reticle.

The 3-18x50mm scope body is our most advanced to date, offering new innovative features, as well as old favorites. A removable and replaceable fin on the power ring allows for rapid adjustment of the magnification range just like a throw lever, with placement of the fin entirely at the discretion of the operator. The improved turrets have tactile and audible 0.1 MIL click adjustments, as well as offering easy reset once you've got your zero and secure locking to prevent accidental adjustments. The illumination turret offers six settings with an 'OFF' setting between each for fast switching to your preferred setting. A smooth parallax adjustment and fast focus eye piece work together to provide a perfectly crisp image of the target and reticle.

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The primary arms is a first mention. Not sure how I feel about that one.

I really just don't want to deal with a scope not tracking properly or resetting to zero properly.
 
If you're looking at spending about $3k I'd have a good look at a Leupold Mk5, either the 5-25 or or the 3.6-18. I have 2 of the 5-25s with the CCH reticle and really like them. I'm planning on getting a 3.6-18 as well. I only use Mil reticles but the Mk5 can be had with a couple MOA reticles, I believe, including the Impact reticle which is a "x-mas tree" type.

I wouldn't touch a Vortex that isn't a Razor, I've seen far too many issues firsthand with the PSTs at matches. If you're looking to spend a bit less, great deals can be found on Bushnell DMR/HDMR 2s and they're bombproof and track perfectly (I've had 2) but I believe they only come in Mils.

This is feedback I want to hear! Thank you!
 
So you would go Athlon over vortex?

Probably a wash, look through them and pick the reticle you like better! although I have not seen the reticle on the 1 Athlon that was posted before, looks great, almost identical to the vortex EBR-7C.
I know with Vortex you can send a scope back and have a new one in your hands within a week. (I've read that Athlon is also very quick) Bushnell takes a few weeks.

The increments are in mils (mil radians) which is a much more suitable system for precision/long range shooting than a "caliber specific" (ie BDC) reticle is. BDC type reticles are only really useful for closer range (say 400 and in) hunting and military infantry rifles(where everyone shoots the same ammo). They only line up correctly for a particular ammunition and once you get out to distance environmentals effect the trajectory anyways.

This ^^^ ...just make sure you understand how the reticle you pick works, and that it will work for you.

For $2000 or a bit more, I'd look at a used Razor with EBR-2C reticle on the EE and know you can send it back if its got an issue.
 
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Burris XTR 3 is now made in USA. Not sure if it's Japanese Glass but it's not the glass it's how "strict" the QA/QC is.



Burris’ XTR III lineup will initially include the 3.3-#18x50mm and the 5.5-#30x56mm. The reticles offered will be the SCR MOA, SCR MIL and a new SCR 2 MIL. The SCR 2 MIL is a holdover reticle that’s creating quite a buzz. Between the reticle selection, comprehensive feature set and relatively low price, the XTR III 3.3-#18x50mm promises to set a new standard in the sub-#$2,000 optics category. 

Burris XTR III 3.3- 18x50mm
Power: 3.3X-18X
Objective: 50mm
Tube Diameter: 34mm
Elevation Adjustment: 35 mils, .1 mil/click or120 MOA, .25 MOA/click
Windage: 16 mils, .1 mil/click or 55 MOA, .25 MOA/click
Reticle: SCR MOA, SCR MIL, SCR 2 MIL
Length: 13.3 in.
Weight: 1 lb., 14 oz.
Eye Relief: 3.5 in. to 4 in.
MSRP: $2,040
Manufacturer: Burris



Full article here.

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/burris-xtr-iii-3318x50mm-review/368225
 
Nikon Blacks seem to be really cheap... $1000 how is the quality on them?

I just put one (6-24) on my .22 (pulled it off the prize table at the NRL finale). I guess it's decent but honestly it just feels ####ty compared to everything else I have ( Bushnell LRTSis, Elcan OS3, Bushnell HDMR2, Leupold Mk5s). It's not even remotely close to any of the Bushy's I have in the Elite Tactical line and I wouldn't conceive of using it on a primary rifle. the turrets are very mediocre, the glass is ok, it just feels kinda cheap. I'm curious to see how it holds up but again, it's on a .22. If you shop around, I bet you can pick up a used DMR2 or HDMR2 for about $1500 and they have a lifetime warranty. I don't think there's much that touches them in that price bracket.
 
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