Looking to learn Israeli Point Shooting,

What do you do when your advanced tritium night sights are too dim, and your Aimpoint fails for some inexplicable reason? And you can’t point shoot?

In case people have forgotten, WW1-2 1911 Government Issue sights were tiny and next to useless in less than ideal light conditions.

In case people don’t know, guerilla tactics almost always use darkness and the element of surprise.
 
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What do you do when your advanced tritium night sights are too dim, and your Aimpoint fails for some inexplicable reason? And you can’t point shoot?

In case people have forgotten, WW1-2 1911 Government Issue sights were tiny and next to useless in less than ideal light conditions.

In case people don’t know, guerilla tactics almost always use darkness and the element of surprise.
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I agree that evil usually comes when it's dark and they are usually really close, like bad breath range.

I think of point shooting like Weaver stance and other techniques no longer in vogue, they are all just tools in the box, use them if you need them.
 
Eye / hand coordination is how you shoot in the dark. That's how the military did it for 100 year's . You don't need batteries!
"Lucky " McDaniel 's taught the US Military and wrote a book about it.
He taught me back in the day
 
Start learning how to shoot properly with sights, and point shooting/flash firing will come to you naturally as your hand/eye coordination develops and you become more familiar with the firearm and shooting in general.

Learning how to shoot poorly without sights before learning how to shoot well with them is definitely putting the cart before the horse. Start with the basics first, master the fundamentals, and learn the more obscure stuff afterward
 
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Just wanna add that point shooting is, by default, one handed shooting.

Unless you point with both hands.

So strong and weak hand practice is required. Not an easy skill to acquire. One handed Pointing and trigger squeezing needs a lot dexterity and discipline to prevent flinch, ie. muscle memory.
 

A lot of what he says just makes sense to me. He doesn’t dictate what your start condition is but he served in Israel for a number of years and will teach from the loaded position. Caters to law enforcement but I believe he’ll teach civilians.

I’m not saying it’s the end all be all but it has its place. Anyone serving in the CAF that may get issued a pistol should learn. Especially if you’re not that proficient and not serving in a combat role. Most people that don’t go outside the wire will be issued a pistol for carry in camp purely out of convenience and they’ll receive little to no training. On my last deployment most didn’t even know how to put it together, let alone shoot it.

Just to add, Israeli combat shooting is a lot more than drawing from condition three. It’s all about being the most efficient in your movements and is repeatable in a high stress environment. They are constantly under threat and have an incredible amount of experience teaching these skills to conscripts (unskilled). You could do a lot worse. It ain’t no IPSC.

Any LEO on here do any training with him?
 
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The lack of training in issued firearms is disgraceful. The British army personnel killed in Ireland by the IRA did not know that their BHP had a mag safety and their unseated mag rendered their pistol useless.
 
Point shooting accurately is very difficult. Very experienced IPSC shooters flirt with it at close ranges because they are so practiced “aiming” is almost automatic. For normal humans, “you can’t miss fast enough to win” on the range, or in a carry country.
 
Leg said:

A lot of what he says just makes sense to me. He doesn’t dictate what your start condition is but he served in Israel for a number of years and will teach from the loaded position. Caters to law enforcement but I believe he’ll teach civilians.

I’m not saying it’s the end all be all but it has its place. Anyone serving in the CAF that may get issued a pistol should learn. Especially if you’re not that proficient and not serving in a combat role. Most people that don’t go outside the wire will be issued a pistol for carry in camp purely out of convenience and they’ll receive little to no training. On my last deployment most didn’t even know how to put it together, let alone shoot it.

Just to add, Israeli combat shooting is a lot more than drawing from condition three. It’s all about being the most efficient in your movements and is repeatable in a high stress environment. They are constantly under threat and have an incredible amount of experience teaching these skills to conscripts (unskilled). You could do a lot worse. It ain’t no IPSC.

Any LEO on here do any training with him?
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Please no

The only people who like this israeli derp are people who dont know what actually works.
 
Whatever, you guys do what you want and take all your shooting instructions from gamers who’ve never gone into harms way. Let’s dismiss a guy with decades of experience in the Israeli military and as a LEO. Ever shot a bone stock Inglis Hi Power? It is fairly easy to not completely disengage the safety. Even if one is extremely proficient with them most in the CAF will be ordered to only carry loaded, not ready.

As I said, it’s not the end all be all but the Israeli method does have a place for those that can’t carry readied and on safe or are largely uncomfortable doing so.
 
Leg said:
Whatever, you guys do what you want and take all your shooting instructions from gamers who’ve never gone into harms way. Let’s dismiss a guy with decades of experience in the Israeli military and as a LEO. Ever shot a bone stock Inglis Hi Power? It is fairly easy to not completely disengage the safety. Even if one is extremely proficient with them most in the CAF will be ordered to only carry loaded, not ready.

As I said, it’s not the end all be all but the Israeli method does have a place for those that can’t carry readied and on safe or are largely uncomfortable doing so.
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Please tell me more about who I have trained with and what they've done in their careers. I know for a fact that not only have they been in harm's way, but that they've done so with one in the chamber

I'm sorry that you've fallen down the rabbit hole of flashy youtube videos and "unconventional tactics", but carrying a weapon you depend on with an empty chamber is dumb. The video you posted is dumb. The idea of learning to flash fire before learning to shoot properly with sights is dumb. Anything that looks even remotely similar to any part of this, is dumb:

 
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Like I said, do what you will. I’m not claiming that it’s for everyone. In fact if you’ve read what I’ve said I’ve only talked about it being used in a fairly narrow set of circumstances. Circumstances that I’ve been forced to live with by my employer but please continue to tell me how I’m dumb for doing so.
 
I'm not saying you're dumb, to be clear. Carrying on an empty chamber is though, and your employer is if they're forcing you to carry that way if you're in a position where your life depends on your firearm.
 
To restate the obvious preponderance of comments trying to point you in another direction....Please, for your sake, reconsider this as your introduction to handgun shooting. If you follow through, you will spend a bunch of money, your skills will be at best suspect, and you will be “experienced” in a discipline 9 out of 10 shooters have never even heard of, much less trained in. As a new handgun shooter, I can’t stress the importance of establishing good, basic shooting fundamentals, and to practice them extensively until you become proficient. There’s so much to be said for proper technique, all of it transferable to any type of shooting you want to get into, since they are ALL based on applying the fundamentals.
 
Crazy chit in this thread.

My competition goal for next year: About 15 matches, IPSC and IDPA.
My real life shootouts planned for next year: Zero

I know who I'll be listening to for advice. lol!
 
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