Looking To Research Longer Barrels And Faster Twist Rates

Barrel length is not important for accuracy. Twist rate depends on the bullet weight you're going to use. Faster twist rates will stabilize longer and/or heavier bullets. Usually they shoot lighter bullets fine too but not always, and at the extreme you can start blowing bullets up midflight from the extreme rotational velocity.

Edit - didn't notice this was on the rimfire forum. Not familiar with people playing with other twists but unless you're using iron sights I see no reason for a barrel to be longer than 20", you just lose velocity to fiction beyond that.
 
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Yup it is a new trend that may have some validity

longer barrels and faster twist rate

CAN

help,with 10,shot accuracy after 125 yards and up to about 500 yards

as a long range rimfire shooter I experimented with that years ago,and found it can work

DEPENDING ON THE QUALITY OF THE BARREL AND THE QUALITY AND MATCHING THE AMMO TO THE BARREL AND GOOD EQUIPMENT


Folks are taking this a little more serious lately

and this approach is better than smashing rocks at distance and pretending to know what you are talking about
 
Hey all.

Been surfing the web and I am not finding what I am looking for. How longer barrels affect accuracy at longer ranges and faster twist rates.

Is there a good source or three that go into these kind of details?
Nothing definitive. Faster twist rates in 22LR tighten vertical spread past 200. Longer barrels help with balance in props and many say the longer barrels also lower SD in match ammo. My next Rimfire barrel will be a 14 twist at least 24”.
 
Tesro is doing IBI barrels on CZ actions.

There is/was one with a 24" barrel with a 1 in 14 twist rate that piqued my interest. Was wondering if a 12 twist rate would be better? And someone in the States is apparently using a "single digit" twist rate (1 in 9 or faster?) but no further info was available. Some bench rest types are using 26" barrels. And some of the older rifles came with 24/26" barrels years ago that were supper accurate. Winchester model 52 may have been one?

So no sources to read up on?
 
What caliber are you talking about? I have read from several sources, that 22 rimfire reaches its maximum speed at about 16 inches of barrel and anything longer is a waste, and possibly slows down the bullet. If you are talking 22 rimfire, why would you want a super long barrel?
 
Apparently, shooters are using a variety of twist rates from what I have gathered. 1:9, 1:10, 1;12, 1:13 and now 1:14.
There does not seem to be any valid research that would indicate that a certain twist rate and barrel length works better than another.
 
What caliber are you talking about? I have read from several sources, that 22 rimfire reaches its maximum speed at about 16 inches of barrel and anything longer is a waste, and possibly slows down the bullet. If you are talking 22 rimfire, why would you want a super long barrel?
Chasing max Rimfire velocity is not the goal of any accuracy minded Rimfire shooter.
 
Tesro is doing IBI barrels on CZ actions.

There is/was one with a 24" barrel with a 1 in 14 twist rate that piqued my interest. Was wondering if a 12 twist rate would be better? And someone in the States is apparently using a "single digit" twist rate (1 in 9 or faster?) but no further info was available. Some bench rest types are using 26" barrels. And some of the older rifles came with 24/26" barrels years ago that were supper accurate. Winchester model 52 may have been one?

So no sources to read up on?

You have to read the long thread on snipers hide by Ravage88 (voodoo). Also call IBI and pick their brain. Most people here have no frame of reference and zero experience with other than 16T 22 barrels. Single digit twist has wild flyers, probably because of the lack of uniformity of 22 bullets. PM’ed you.
 
Anschutz knows what its doing for making accurate target and benchrest rifles, and has had many decades to test various designs in the highest level of competition. I believe they are made for 50m distance (?).

They choose long heavy barrels in 26 and 27 inch lengths, and a twist of 420mm (16.5 inches). While the barrel length may have been originally chosen for sight radius for aperture sights, carbon fiber bloop tube technology (with and without tuner weights) is mature, and I find it difficult to believe that Anschutz would continue to make these long barrels if it was a "waste", when the extended bloop tube technology can function for sight radius. The long barrels must be doing something well, better than a 20 inch barrel.

For 50m competition, I would have thought they would offer other benchrest shorter barrel length options if it provided any advantage to winning? They don't offer short barrels in the 20 inch zone other that the silhouette models, which require less absolute precision than for an ISSF score or benchrest group/score target, where 1-2mm can make or break your aggregate groups or score.

Caveat: This is for subsonic target ammo at 50m.

Perhaps there may be a better combo of ammo velocity, bullet weight, and twist rate for rimfire super long range? (e.g. where higher velocity ammo is used?)

Anyways I am open to seeing some experiments, as its always good to experiment with alternatives. Let's see the experimental evidence.

(Aside: In 22LR rimfire, we are constrained by the match chamber lengths. We are stuck with the design of the archaic heeled bullet, that should have been retired in the 1870's, but it wasn't, and we are now stuck with it. There is no room for a longer bullet. My CZ'z and Anschutz rifles engrave target ammo bullets with the bolt close. Neither brand will chamber a CCI Stinger. Maybe if custom chambers were made for for longer heavier bullets, and higher charge weight energies became a thing, we might see some cool results with shorter twists. That would require a revolution in rimfire cartridge design and new rimfire chambers. But then again that is really what centerfire is for, where the heeled bullet was abandoned, and centerfire primers were found to be better than crushing primer in the rim. 22LR rimfire seems to be locked into a very narrow design box without any room for advancement, other than higher manufacturing consistencies for primer, powder, and bullet center of gravity).
 
Anschutz knows what its doing for making accurate target and benchrest rifles, and has had many decades to test various designs in the highest level of competition. I believe they are made for 50m distance (?).

They choose long heavy barrels in 26 and 27 inch lengths, and a twist of 420mm (16.5 inches). While the barrel length may have been originally chosen for sight radius for aperture sights, carbon fiber bloop tube technology (with and without tuner weights) is mature, and I find it difficult to believe that Anschutz would continue to make these long barrels if it was a "waste", when the extended bloop tube technology can function for sight radius. The long barrels must be doing something well, better than a 20 inch barrel.

For 50m competition, I would have thought they would offer other benchrest shorter barrel length options if it provided any advantage to winning? They don't offer short barrels in the 20 inch zone other that the silhouette models, which require less absolute precision than for an ISSF score or benchrest group/score target, where 1-2mm can make or break your aggregate groups or score.

Caveat: This is for subsonic target ammo at 50m.

Perhaps there may be a better combo of ammo velocity, bullet weight, and twist rate for rimfire super long range? (e.g. where higher velocity ammo is used?)

Anyways I am open to seeing some experiments, as its always good to experiment with alternatives. Let's see the experimental evidence.

(Aside: In 22LR rimfire, we are constrained by the match chamber lengths. We are stuck with the design of the archaic heeled bullet, that should have been retired in the 1870's, but it wasn't, and we are now stuck with it. There is no room for a longer bullet. My CZ'z and Anschutz rifles engrave target ammo bullets with the bolt close. Neither brand will chamber a CCI Stinger. Maybe if custom chambers were made for for longer heavier bullets, and higher charge weight energies became a thing, we might see some cool results with shorter twists. That would require a revolution in rimfire cartridge design and new rimfire chambers. But then again that is really what centerfire is for, where the heeled bullet was abandoned, and centerfire primers were found to be better than crushing primer in the rim. 22LR rimfire seems to be locked into a very narrow design box without any room for advancement, other than higher manufacturing consistencies for primer, powder, and bullet center of gravity).

Yes. Also, supersonic Rimfire ammo is not consistent enough for match use.
 
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