Looking to shoot some AR at night in Cold Lake/Edmonton to test flash hider

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Hey All,

Wasn't sure where would be the best place to post this. I'm out here for Maple Flag and thought I might be able to find somewhere to test an AR flash hider at night either in Cold Lake during the week, or Edmonton this weekend. I brought a couple with me. Obviously I couldn't bring an AR, but if you are willing to provide the AR and a place to shoot at night, I will provide the ammo and leave the flash hider on the test gun if you like it. Would prefer to test against a SEI Vortex if you have one. Would be a comparison between the SEI Vortex, AGW and milspec birdcage. Just want to do a comparison and shoot some short video. Can't shoot at night at my range, so thought I might try while I'm out here.

If interested, shoot me an email at mike@allengunworks.com and we can work out the details. Available any night this week or next and might be travelling to Edmonton this weekend.
 
the BSSA range in Bonneville is 24hr, if you can see you can shoot i was told when i got my membership anyway. Unfortunately I'm 2 weeks away from an ar... but if you know any of the other members there with ar's you might have some luck.
 
Excuse me if I'm about to sound blonde. But in Ontario guns can only be fired from half hour before sunrise and half hour after sunset. Is that a provincial rule? In Alberta you can shoot at night? Anywhere or just registered ranges?
 
Chago said:
Excuse me if I'm about to sound blonde. But in Ontario guns can only be fired from half hour before sunrise and half hour after sunset. Is that a provincial rule? In Alberta you can shoot at night? Anywhere or just registered ranges?
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Hmm, I'm in ontario too. I was under the impression that that law had to do with informal shooting, like NR's out in the bush. Hunting Reg's kind of thing, and that night shooting was up to the ranges discretion. Some ranges allow it, some do not. Or, some ranges are approved for it, some are not.

I know there are a couple of ranges round my part that allow night shooting, not mine tho'.
 
Chago said:
Excuse me if I'm about to sound blonde. But in Ontario guns can only be fired from half hour before sunrise and half hour after sunset. Is that a provincial rule? In Alberta you can shoot at night? Anywhere or just registered ranges?
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Like Conte said, that may be a hunting rule but its not a firearm rule in Ontario. My club (Ontario) has skeet and trap shooting as well as handgun and rifle shooting at night.
 
IIRC it states that firearms must be fully encased from a half hour after sunset to a half hour before sunrise in any area where game may be present. That's a pretty general term as game could be present anywhere at any time. Essentially, they don't want you having quick access to a firearm at night for any purpose whatsoever. Only exception is if you are legally hunting raccoon at night, which has it's own set of hoops to jump through. If you're out in the bush with a gun any time of the day in Ontario and you get stopped by a CO, it's up to you to prove you're not out hunting...guilty until proven innocent etc.
 
rayisametalkid said:
the BSSA range in Bonneville is 24hr, if you can see you can shoot i was told when i got my membership anyway. Unfortunately I'm 2 weeks away from an ar... but if you know any of the other members there with ar's you might have some luck.
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The question there is can you really see your backstop and target board area if it is dark enough to test a flash hider?
 
Why does it matter anyway? Afraid you will give away you position when shooting at the range at night? Flash hiders in Canada are pretty much all for looks and not function. Some are nice because they add a little brake into the equation but the flash doesn't matter.
I know the brake on mine (Rainier mini comp) will make a huge flash at night since I can see it during the day but it doesn't matter since I don't think I'll be going to war with my AR. Your flash signature will probably be more related to barrel length and ammo used than which flash suppressor you use. My 12.5 inch AR makes a lot more flash than my 14 inch did and my 10.5 inch was even worse.
If you really want to know which one is best for flash reduction watch some youtube vids. The Americans love posting those type of vids and I'm sure you will be able to find something that will give you a better idea of what you are looking for.

To answer your question regardless of how pointless I think it is. Genesee does not allow night shooting and I don't know of any others in the Edmonton area that do either. Most ranges in the area are quite strict due to the close proximity to populated centers and maintaining a positive image to the general public. Blasting away at night tends to make non gun people a little nervous.
 
C5 not everyone on CGN is into firearms for fun, some use them in their line of work, AGW like myself is a MFG , as much as we love to sell our products to the public we have a large market with LEO and Mil shooter, so in short its not pointless for us to want to test a product at night time, or in -50 or blast off 5000 rounds on one day
cr5 said:
Why does it matter anyway? Afraid you will give away you position when shooting at the range at night? Flash hiders in Canada are pretty much all for looks and not function. Some are nice because they add a little brake into the equation but the flash doesn't matter.
I know the brake on mine (Rainier mini comp) will make a huge flash at night since I can see it during the day but it doesn't matter since I don't think I'll be going to war with my AR. Your flash signature will probably be more related to barrel length and ammo used than which flash suppressor you use. My 12.5 inch AR makes a lot more flash than my 14 inch did and my 10.5 inch was even worse.
If you really want to know which one is best for flash reduction watch some youtube vids. The Americans love posting those type of vids and I'm sure you will be able to find something that will give you a better idea of what you are looking for.

To answer your question regardless of how pointless I think it is. Genesee does not allow night shooting and I don't know of any others in the Edmonton area that do either. Most ranges in the area are quite strict due to the close proximity to populated centers and maintaining a positive image to the general public. Blasting away at night tends to make non gun people a little nervous.
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badboybeeson said:
C5 not everyone on CGN is into firearms for fun, some use them in their line of work, AGW like myself is a MFG , as much as we love to sell our products to the public we have a large market with LEO and Mil shooter, so in short its not pointless for us to want to test a product at night time, or in -50 or blast off 5000 rounds on one day
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Well, in that case even though I have no idea which outdoor ranges in the area allow night shooting I would definitely volunteer to help shoot off 5000 rounds in a day or any other testing at my range, I am allowed 2 guests and work shiftwork so I have lots of weekdays off. You supply the rifle and ammo and I'll supply the place and will bring my trigger finger :D

Probably the best solution for the flash hider testing is to try one of the local indoor ranges and ask to rent the entire range after hours and have them shut off the lights, as long as you were shooting horizontal you would be hitting the backstop.
Phoenix in Edmonton would probably be more accommodating in that regard but Wild West in the mall would also be worth a shot if you didn't have any luck at Phoenix. If either of them will allow it I could meet there and volunteer my 12.5 inch PWS AR as the test rifle as long as we weren't going to put 5000 rounds down my barrel ;)

Good luck
 
Conte said:
There are ways. Like setting up a light downrange to see your target, but it won't light up where you are.
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Yes, but when the guy told him that as long as you can see I'm pretty sure he meant during daylight hours, I have been a member at that range for many years and know the membership guy quite well.
 
Another possible solution would be to test the flash hiders on a non restricted firearm like the Tavor that would open up lots of crown land and private property as a test venue.
 
Back to Cold Lake today.

Like Simon was saying, we manufacture this brake. Initial testing conducted by Jamie at one of Earl's low light courses proves its effectiveness on a 16" barrel. Zero flash. I just want to shoot some better video for comparison and promotional purposes.

This is something we will be pushing to Mil am LE contracts, both domestically and internationally. If we were just making AR "jewellery" we wouldn't care about flash.
 
AGW,

FYI I have a Smith Vortex flash hider I'm not currently using which I would be happy to loan out for the test if you're able to arrange your shoot. I'm in the Calgary area if you're going to be coming through here, or I can mail it out. I also have an A2 birdcage though I imagine you already have one of those.

PM me if you're interested.
 
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