Low recoil effective loads for trap with O/U

catnthehatt said:
Kent International. 24 gram loads are 8,000PSI and very easy on the shoulder .
No issues cleaning a round with them and recoil was easy enough on the vintage guns and vintage shoulders!

Cat
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I just shot a couple rounds with the Winchester low noise low recoil AA which I think is around 6500 psi. Don't even notice the recoil. Clays broke when I did my thing.

Now of course that was out of a 110 year old SxS so maybe it would kick harder with one of them newfangled O/U/'s.
 
Just to be picky, low pressure in the shotshell is not easily related to recoil. Acceleration of mass is. Low velocity and low mass of ejecta (shot, powder and wad) makes for light recoil.

In addition to the physics, there is the concept of felt recoil, which involves the individual's body conformation, and its interaction with the stock dimensions of the shotgun.

None of the above takes away from the fact that the loads referred to, AA low recoil or Kent International, result in less felt recoil.

I personally like one ounce loads in 12 gauge for my light loads, but that is likely due to my modest shooting ability. I have more confidence with them, than with 7/8 ounce loads.
 
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saskbooknut said:
Just to be picky, low pressure in the shotshell is not easily related to recoil. Acceleration of mass is. Low velocity and low mass of ejecta (shot, powder and wad) makes for light recoil.

In addition to the physics, there is the concept of felt recoil, which involves the individual's body conformation, and its interaction with the stock dimensions of the shotgun.

None of the above takes away from the fact that the loads referred to, AA low recoil or Kent International, result in less felt recoil.

I personally like one ounce loads in 12 gauge for my light loads, but that is likely due to my modest shooting ability. I have more confidence with them, than with 7/8 ounce loads.
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With vintage guns recoil is as bad on them at times as too much pressure.
Quite often guns are ruined by recoil because of the stocks being dried out and such as too much pressure shaking them loose at the joints or bulging barrels
Cat
 
Thanks Cat for obliquely clarifying my post. I was referencing the AA low noise low recoil because they solve both issues, recoil AND pressure.
 
Try finding a proper Trap Gun that fits. It doesn't have to be an expensive O/U. A good Auto Loader (less recoil) will do just fine. You could also try reloading. That way you can find the shot and powder combo that works best for you. And no more searching for who has the best deals on shells.
 
Add weight------ most guns have a hollowed out area behind the butt plate. Fill it with lead shot. That will tame it down a lot. It will feel strange for a bit, but when you get used to it the pointability ???????????? is awesome. I ame contemplating drilling a coupe more holes to add more shot. JMHO YMMV
 
It is counter-intuitive to me how a 1oz load could travel faster (fps) than a 1 1/8oz or how there are 1 1/8oz loads that travel at different speeds. How does this work? What determines the speed of the pellets? Is speed the only factor directly related to felt recoil? I reference speed for recoil as opposed to weight because I am not sure what the weight does in terms of recoil.

I almost spelled recola instead of recoil...
 
simplification of the issues -
Burn rate of the powder controls how fast the shot load is accelerated. Powder charge is limited by the pressure that it develops in the chamber. Maximum pressure for specific gauge of shotgun is specified by standards organizations, SAAMI in the US and CIP in Europe.
Weight of everything that goes out the muzzle of the gun, shot and powder and wads, is related to recoil. The mass (weight) that is accelerated creates an equal and opposite force which we are calling recoil, which is moderated by the mass of the gun. Because the gun weight is so much bigger than the shot load, accelerating the mass of the gun absorbs some of the recoil. Heavier guns recoil less. Lighter shot loads recoil less. Lighter shot loads that are accelerated to lower speeds recoil less than high velocity loads.
Felt recoil also involves how well the gun fits so that recoil is taken up by a push to the shoulder and not translated as a chop to the cheek with the gun rising.
A good recoil pad, light loads and a well fitting shotgun makes the whole experience more fun.
 
I shoot a rizzini vertex 30in o/u and my all time favourite would have to be the challenger handicap 1 1/8oz #8 for trap skeet 5stand sporting clays kick a bit but they hammer whatever you are shooting at. you will get use to the kick unless you are injured or something then i would suggest the light load challengers in a 1oz. If you are shooting lots the AAs and Rem light loads will get pricey. I think rio makes a good light load that my grandfather shot quite a bit that might be worth looking into.
 
I'm a big fan of the "catnthehatt" recommended International 24 gram (7/8 oz.) loads.
The 8-1/2 sized 1250 fps load is indeed quite mild & has more than enough "jam" for 16 yard Trap & certainly for Skeet.
The same load in 7-1/2's is loaded up to 1350 fps for International Skeet does generate a little more pressure and felt recoil, but to me,
the felt recoil is still less than a standard 1-1/8 oz. handicap or fast sporting clays load.
Federal makes (or made) a low pressure, low recoil 7/8 load for vintage shotguns, but good luck finding them on this side of the 49th.
 
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