low shooting norc toko...help?

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has anyone run into this?
i bought a norinco tok in 9mm, 201c i believe, i found it shot extreemly low out of the box, its not my technique, or flinching , all my other guns shoot fine.
i can have the entire front site above the top of the rear, and still hit way low at 30 ft!
can i file the block where the barrel link joins the barrel to lower the breech end?
could it be the barrel bushing?
any help would be nice, i am sure i am not the only one to run into this!
 
Seems like I got the same problem on a np22 i recently bought plus mine shoots way left, anyone knows how to adjust the rear sight without the fancy tool?
 
Back when Canada Ammo sold the old Norc 213's off for cheap I bought two to play with and learn some gunsmithing skills. Both of them shot very low with really poor grouping to the point where it just wasn't a group at all. One straightened up in about 50 shots fired and the other took almost 150. So don't do anything until you just blast some ammo through them for a while. I sort of just chalked the first up to getting to know the gun and the rather small grips. So I was quite shocked that the second took a good 150'ish rounds to "learn" to shoot it well. Given that this happened the way it did I am assuming that there were some burrs or roughness to the finish of the inner workings that prevented the barrel from fully seating the same way each time. It took a bit of "9mm polishing" to break these spots in. But once they were smoothend up both guns shot well to the POA.

If you are handy and just don't want to spend the ammo to "shoot" the gun into breaking in then you could look up the old 213 thread where I put some pictures and description of how I LIGHTLY deburred and SLIGHTLY polished the barrel and slide lugs of mine.
 
legi0n said:
Yes it is. Modifying the gun's kinematics requires a thorough understanding of the way it works. If you have to ask about it, don't do it. Safety first.
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:ar15:no its NOT! mr saftey! i do have a understanding of machinery thanx.
i was asking because, learning from others success and failures is....smart!

i examined the barrel link/lug interface, found the radius in the lug did not allow the barrell to travel far enough forward and down to allow the flat portion of the link to rest on the lug.

after removing offending material, took gun to range...WoW! elevation is almost perfect, can fine tune when it warms up ...-28 and 10"of snow brrrrr
PS this left a slight "over bite" as the slide sits a little further ahead, i can fix this over the winter.
at least i can hit what i am aiming at!
good thing i enjoy FN with stuff cause for a $200 gun i have put too much time into it!
orderd a 7.62x25 ruski today we will see how it is inna week or so!
 
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I found that my 1st Norc 1911 had terrible sights, and my Norc Sig p226 copy were both off - and again I own other guns before the crows get started. I went out and mounted a burris fastfire on each of them. An expensive fix - but when I only had $350 into each gun, it really wasn't bad. Just another option for Norincos. Lol...although a $200 Tok isn't probably something you'll do this on.
 
killer1963daddy said:
:ar15:no its NOT! mr saftey! i do have a understanding of machinery thanx.
i was asking because, learning from others success and failures is....smart!

i examined the barrel link/lug interface, found the radius in the lug did not allow the barrell to travel far enough forward and down to allow the flat portion of the link to rest on the lug.

after removing offending material, took gun to range...WoW! elevation is almost perfect, can fine tune when it warms up ...-28 and 10"of snow brrrrr
PS this left a slight "over bite" as the slide sits a little further ahead, i can fix this over the winter.
at least i can hit what i am aiming at!
good thing i enjoy FN with stuff cause for a $200 gun i have put too much time into it!
orderd a 7.62x25 ruski today we will see how it is inna week or so!
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Could you expand a bit more on the mod you did ? maybe post some pictures ? Could be the explanation to why mine is shooting low as well. Thanks alot ! JP
 
the easiest thing to do would be to try a different load or different manufacturer- i've also had some pistols that require you put the front sight right on the bull rather than a 6 o'clock hold- ie some european and the chinese tok-one of my beretta 22s is like that- the real shorty- more like a point and shoot, and don't think about it
 
I'm eventually going to have a combat adjustable sight dovetailed into the slide on my keeper Tok........yes this sounds expensive, but I like the Tok for what it is; a platform that is almost an absolutely perfectly sized all steel gun in 9mm.
Mike
 
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