LR Scope options - opinions please

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I have been saving up for a new scope for my PGW Coyote :D I wanted to get a few opinions before buying a new scope - see if I am missing something.

I have used only a few Vortex products (diamond back on my sluggun and a PST viper 4-16x), I have used a Leupold Mk4 in the past and sold it and currently am using NF scopes. I quite like the NF scopes and have had/currently have SHV, NSX 3.5-15x50, 5.5-22x50 and 56mm as well as ATACR 5-25x56mm (SFP) on my Timberwolf. I am accustomed to using MOA/MOA and wish to buy a new scope the same. I have mostly used SFP scopes, I have only had one FFP scope in the Leupold Mk4.

I am leaning towards another NF ATACR again so that both my LR rigs (Coyote and Timberwolf) carry the same/similar scopes for ease of transition between the two and to keep things simple for me. Is the FFP MOAR based reticle worth the extra $400??

Are there other scopes I should be considering?

Thanks
 
I like my FFP scope for doing holds at varying scope power, especially for wind. I'm still pretty new at this, but I like to dial elevation and hold wind since it can change quickly. I think it is worth the extra money personally.

One idea, and maybe you already thought of it - instead of owning multiple scopes, sell them and get one top tier scope with a LaRue QD mount. LaRue are guaranteed to hold zero when removing/reinstalling on your gun. That way you can swap them between weapons easily and shoot every gun with the best glass on the market.

Have you looked at Schmidt & Bender scopes? I hear great things about them.
 
You won't be disappointed, that's for sure. I bought mine back in October, if it wasn't for me getting a good deal on a TT. I wouldn't have upgraded. The glass between the sb and TT is exactly the same. Only differences are the turrets. I prefer the TT turrets, the SB has mtc/lt which I do not like. Every 10th click (milrad turrets) is hard detent, when you go to 0.1 from 0.0 you over turn to 0.2. It isn't that big of a deal. Just something to think about.
 
I'm not aware of any MOA based S&B reticles, I would check on that because having a mismatched adjustment and reticle kinda sucks.

What's important to you in a scope? What style of reticle do you prefer? When you're shooting do you typically use anything but max power?
 
I would love a Theta.....I just can't afford it!! I need both of my kidneys.

Typically I am a max power shooter, or at least 80% of the time max power. I really like the MOAR reticle on NF...so something similar to that would be preferable.
 
Bird Blaster said:
I would love a Theta.....I just can't afford it!! I need both of my kidneys.

Typically I am a max power shooter, or at least 80% of the time max power. I really like the MOAR reticle on NF...so something similar to that would be preferable.
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Sb p4l would have similar hashes but at 0.5mrad. The reticle are all MIL tho, so you may want to switch to mil/mil scope if you decide to go sb. It makes everything much simpler, measure up with reticle and adjust exactly the same amount.
 
I'm in the same pickle. Bought another rifle, moved a couple scopes around, and now my Coyote is naked. I looked at it a while back and said, "well, it's usless without a scope" - *basically telling the wifey that I will be injecting another few thousand into the hobby!* I've looked at a ton of scopes over the last couple of weeks, everything from S&B to Sightron. I've been a NightForce -MOA/SFP fanboy for years but times are a changing. I'm switching brands and going FFP/MIL this time around.
 
armorman said:
I'm in the same pickle. Bought another rifle, moved a couple scopes around, and now my Coyote is naked. I looked at it a while back and said, "well, it's usless without a scope" - *basically telling the wifey that I will be injecting another few thousand into the hobby!* I've looked at a ton of scopes over the last couple of weeks, everything from S&B to Sightron. I've been a NightForce -MOA/SFP fanboy for years but times are a changing. I'm switching brands and going FFP/MIL this time around.
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what are you leaning towards this time???
 
Bushnell ERS 3.5-21 with G2 reticle. I never shoot my Coyote past 1000(ish) yards so with the Christmas tree reticle the plan is to never mess with the turrets. And since you own a Coyote you already know how consistent the rifle is. Should make for a great combination, in my opinion.
 
armorman said:
Bushnell ERS 3.5-21 with G2 reticle. I never shoot my Coyote past 1000(ish) yards so with the Christmas tree reticle the plan is to never mess with the turrets. And since you own a Coyote you already know how consistent the rifle is. Should make for a great combination, in my opinion.
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I have the Bushy ERS and it is a great optic (notice how I didn't say for its price). It may not be a super fancy T&T, S&B, USO, etc. but it gets the job done and does it well. I have an S&B PMII on my TRG and it is really nice as well but when I go to scope my next gun I will not just be looking at the "top-tier" manufacturers any more. Bushnell and Vortex are definitely able to compete these days. I am interested in the new Vortex AMG.
 
Kind of depends on budget. Tough to beat S&B. They've been a bit out of reach for me yet, I'm running bushnell, sightron,and vortex's. I still hate wolverine for letting me spend time with one of their S&B's :). Every time I buy another scope I think of how amazing glass the S&B was. Oh well gotta keep ahead of the bill collectors but one day I"ll have a S&B. There is a lot of good/value glass out there these out there these days.
 
Shabazz said:
I'm not aware of any MOA based S&B reticles, I would check on that because having a mismatched adjustment and reticle kinda sucks.

What's important to you in a scope? What style of reticle do you prefer? When you're shooting do you typically use anything but max power?
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I'm confused on this too.

I have a 12-50PMII-SFP in 1/8 MOA P4f. I'm still not certain if the reticle is MOA or MIL, even after contacting S&B North America several times. I finally did get a brief, and unhelpful response telling me to use the reticle charts for the 5-25, but in a SFP the difference matters. Are holds true at 25x or 50x?? I've been just using the cross hairs so far....

I also own an ERS 3.5-21, and I agree that it's a fine optic. My buddy feels that Christmas trees belong at Christmas time, but I like the G2 reticle. Is it as good as my ATACR or SB, no. Is it very good for the 1250$ I paid for it on sale - damn rights!!! I think my MH is going to wear it upon arrival. If you want to go to 1000, I might suggest the 4.5-30.

Comments about bushnell and vortex I feel are very true. I've not used Sightron, but many reasonable people say very nice things about them.

I'm grateful that I can afford the NF and SB, but I'm very happy with my vortices and bushies too. Keep an eye on the used market - you might find something that can work.

-J.
 
Wow, at $1250 you got a heck of a deal on the ERS. They're like $2k+ now! I'm curious, would you pay 2k for the ERS today or look at something different in that same price range? I'm not sure what the OP has in mind for a budget but I'd like to keep my next one under $3k all in.
 
Ya - was something like 40% off at WSS. Got both of my bushnells on that sale!!

Your question is a good one. I suppose the other choices in the low 2000 range are NF SHV and maybe NXS?? I don't think SB has anything in that range. Sightron might.

What I'd do is get the features that I want (MRAD/MOA, reticle, 30/34mm tube etc), in the best glass I could afford. I'd definitely watch the used market, as there can be nice deals - I've grabbed a few. There's more than just the CGN EE out there, but beware of scammers.

I'd save a few hundred bucks and not worry about illumination.

Don't forget to allow for 100-200$ for nice rings for your new glass too.

Sorry, got sidetracked. Would I pay 2200$ for the ERS now - probably not, when I can get a used NXS or ATACR for another 200$. A used ERS for 1500$, sure.
 
Bird Blaster said:
I have been saving up for a new scope for my PGW Coyote :D I wanted to get a few opinions before buying a new scope - see if I am missing something.

I have used only a few Vortex products (diamond back on my sluggun and a PST viper 4-16x), I have used a Leupold Mk4 in the past and sold it and currently am using NF scopes. I quite like the NF scopes and have had/currently have SHV, NSX 3.5-15x50, 5.5-22x50 and 56mm as well as ATACR 5-25x56mm (SFP) on my Timberwolf. I am accustomed to using MOA/MOA and wish to buy a new scope the same. I have mostly used SFP scopes, I have only had one FFP scope in the Leupold Mk4.

I am leaning towards another NF ATACR again so that both my LR rigs (Coyote and Timberwolf) carry the same/similar scopes for ease of transition between the two and to keep things simple for me. Is the FFP MOAR based reticle worth the extra $400??

Are there other scopes I should be considering?

Thanks
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Think you know the answer. If you don't know if you need a FFP, you likely don't. If you want to stay working in MOA and SFP, stick with it. To make a switch to a new system, in my mind, is a large financial and mental commitment.
 
Bird Blaster said:
I have been saving up for a new scope for my PGW Coyote :D I wanted to get a few opinions before buying a new scope - see if I am missing something.

I have used only a few Vortex products (diamond back on my sluggun and a PST viper 4-16x), I have used a Leupold Mk4 in the past and sold it and currently am using NF scopes. I quite like the NF scopes and have had/currently have SHV, NSX 3.5-15x50, 5.5-22x50 and 56mm as well as ATACR 5-25x56mm (SFP) on my Timberwolf. I am accustomed to using MOA/MOA and wish to buy a new scope the same. I have mostly used SFP scopes, I have only had one FFP scope in the Leupold Mk4.

I am leaning towards another NF ATACR again so that both my LR rigs (Coyote and Timberwolf) carry the same/similar scopes for ease of transition between the two and to keep things simple for me. Is the FFP MOAR based reticle worth the extra $400??

Are there other scopes I should be considering?

Thanks
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The suggestion of a Larue mount and swapping is a good one, but if you have the cash a matching system on both your PGW'a couldn't hurt.

Here's my thoughts on SFP vs. FFP. This is meant for someone who doesn't know or hasn't owned both. I'm aware that most of you know this.

- FFP is NOT necessarily better, like I used to think. It has its place, but it's not necessarily a step up.

- SPF is less money.

- SFP, IMO, for non-competing target shooter is better. On an FFP, the reticle is very very small at low power, and you lose quite a few of the hold over hash marks at full power.

- with FFP you can range and holdover at all powers, SFP you can't.

- your ability to range, if your not in the business of killin' folk (BY THIS I MEAN YOU ARE A SNIPER, OR A HIT MAN), or a very very serious LR hunter that can't afford a laser range finder, or a live action long range competitor, you don't need to range with your reticle.

- MIL vs MOA. MIL makes infinitely more sense, and is more precise 1MRAD = 10cm @ 100m vs 1MOA = 1.047" at 100 yards), but it's what you know.

I have both. I'm moving back to MOA cause that's what my shooting buddies use.
 
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