LTR expected moa?

[Zeddy]

I finally have gotten to spend some time with my new LTR
I took it out to the range last night and shot 10 groups.
My questions are what type of groups should I expect from a stock LTR with a trigger job?
I was also wondering how do you define MOA or sub MOA??
Is it the raw size of the hole or do you subtract the bullet diameter?

Out of my 10 groups at 100 meter(not yards) 8 of the groups were about one inch(some .750 some 1.200") that was the raw size of the hole, I did get one group that was .530" raw size using 168gr federal gold medal.

Is that what I should expect with factory loads? or should it shoot better than that? I'm sure the inconsistancy was me not the rifle or ammo but just curious what measurement you guys are taking about when you quote group size?
How much better should I expect with handloads?

thx guys

 

[Jamie]

after doing the trigger and bedding mine I am getting .5MOA goups at 100meters

 

[Zeddy]

is that .500" minus bullet diameter (or center to center)?

 

[Allen Gun Works]

I am getting under 1" at 100yds out of the box with handloads. I am going to do the trigger and bed it this summer.

 

[Zeddy]

Then it sounds like I am getting at least that when I do my part!

 

[jennis]

Im getting (700P 308) right around 1" with IVI , Portugese 308 FMJ...So I would expect sub 1" -.5 with real ammo

 

[Jamie]

is that .500" minus bullet diameter (or center to center)?

yes

 

[Zeddy]

yes

well I guess I'm not doing too bad then, that would put all my groups under 1moa, I'll have to work on doing my part more consistantly and then I'll start loading, Are you still using the 175smk's?

 

[Jamie]

I am shooting the 154gr Scenar,175 and 155SMK all shoot under or at .5

Jamie

 

[Allen Gun Works]

I had really good luck with the 154gr Scenar as well. Still working on a good load, but I had a couple groups under .5

 

[tiriaq]

Sounds as if your rifle is shooting just fine. You can experiment with different bullets and see which work best for you. Lapua, Sierra, Hornady, Nosler, Berger all make excellent bullets. There are many variables with which you can experiment, powder, cases, primers, seating depth, neck vs fl sizing, etc.
But realistically, your rifle is shooting just fine. Develop a consistant handload that does at least as well, then get out to the range and do some shooting.

 

[Slavex]

with you shooting it, I'd expect no better than 2 inch groups at 50m.

 

[Zeddy]

with you shooting it, I'd expect no better than 2 inch groups at 50m.

I guess your right, I dont have your ballast
Hows that broken scope of yours!

 

[hooligan]

haha. Damn nice scope though.