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The fix is in, have a new Gaillard 6mm 13.5" twist barrel.

I've almost given up finding a 40X action and after some thought, I may have to go custom action. I prefer to stay with the Rem 40X footprint as I have lots of bolts and barrels that will switch on/off. Will a Pierce/Stiller make weight and accept Rem/PT&G bolts also?

Next step is getting a stock. I really want the Robertson Borden or SG&Y BRX Stock, but Robertson is out of business. Don't like the MacMillan Edge, but the MacMillan/Bruno looks close to the SG&Y.

Would like to get the parts this winter so I can build it for springtime.
OK dealers and privateers, Jump In.
 
I'm wondering what dollar value you are looking at, and what type of shooting you're planning. Slow twist barrel so must be PPC or BR caliber.
The 40X action gives you nothing more than a trued rem 700 action, the 40X would also have to be true. Custom actions are a bit better cost a bit more. Your hand loading is very important, can't shot accurate with out great ammo.
THE GUNSMITH will make the difference and is key to what you want to build.
 
The gunsmith is exactly what will make the difference, namely me. Cost of blueprinting is my time.
Yes, it's for 6PPC 100-200yds.
The 40X will be more adaptable for me as I can switch barrels/bolts in multi-calibers that I already have on hand.
 
Don't know whether or not a ptg bolt will fit, always thought they had a different bolt diameter? If you want to get spendy, you could buy a stiller with 2 extra bolts. Get the ppc bolt set up for a drop port and the .222 and "standard bolt" for regular eject. Have you already picked your reamer? The beggs looks interesting...
 
The PT&G bolts are made for Remington, I think they also make bolts for Stiller.
It will be thick neck PPC designed to turn lightly on Lapua brass.
You know, I've been looking hard at that .220 Beggs. Certainly a lot less work than .22 PPC Short.
 
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I had always assumed that the ptg bolts for the remington were purposely made a few though thicker so that the 700 action to be "bored true" to the new action threads that would/should be cut. Might be wrong. The 6 beggs actually really gets my attention even more so then the ppc and the 220 beggs. Case shoulder just seems more condusive to a consistent burn then the ppc based on looks alone.
 
PS, isn't it sad that you'll get more advice from "experts" if you were to ask about the 5r or the 700 POS then you do when you ask about an actual light varmint build?
 
There are many actions that will make the weight but I'm not sure which ones :confused: .
There used to be a few BR guys on board here that would surely know if they would chime in , I'm quite sure most would be good weight wise though like the stole , stiller, RPA quadlock , defiance, surgeon and many more.
Your choice for a barrel is #1 imo Ted makes a great barrel and he's also a great BR competitor I think he told me he had a Barber stock on the shelf there somewhere.

I bought a 6ppc light varmint 7 or 8 years ago but it was already built so I didn't need to figure out any weight, it's built on a withita action with a gaillard barrel and hall stock the trigger is a jewel I think, the whole thing was put together by Ted Gaillard and it shoots great.
It's to bad benchrest is not popular in my part of the country don't seem to be no BR guys no more over here.

The resale on your ppc should be better with a custom action imo and probably easier to find.
What bullet do you plan to shoot in the 13 1/2 twist.
 
clatartar said:
PS, isn't it sad that you'll get more advice from "experts" if you were to ask about the 5r or the 700 POS then you do when you ask about an actual light varmint build?
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Below should explain some of the reasons why there is not a lot of replies.

coyote said:
There are many actions that will make the weight but I'm not sure which ones :confused: .
There used to be a few BR guys on board here that would surely know if they would chime in , I'm quite sure most would be good weight wise though like the stole , stiller, RPA quadlock , defiance, surgeon and many more.
Your choice for a barrel is #1 imo Ted makes a great barrel and he's also a great BR competitor I think he told me he had a Barber stock on the shelf there somewhere.
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Yes, there used to be a few of us on the board. There may still be a few who lurk around on occasion but not very often. I know I lurk around to get a chuckle. That is about it. I cannot speak for the other Canadian BR shooters who are into the sport big time but I will speak for myself. The kicker with CGN is it is geared more to Tactical, Hunting and pistol. Everyone or almost everyone wants to be a Canadian sniper. They want the black look rifle. They want to run and gun. I hear it all the time, BR is too boring, you guys are to anal, it costs to much to get into. In reality you can get into it for what MOST guys on this forum pay for there builds with optics. This is what I see, guys paying way TO MUCH for what they get. If you look around you can buy a SLIGHTLY used TOP KNOTCH rifle for less than 3G notes. You do not need a 2-3 G note scope. You get into it with about a 500.00 used scope. Buy some wind flags or make them and you are off. Look south of the border. There are a few guys who import into Canada and in reality there pricing may appear high but a few hundred dollars is not to bad.

I try over and over to get more guys/gals into it and nopt to many are willing to pay a 60.00 entry fee for a weekend of shooting. It is not just that they want to get out and shoot they are worried about winning. I can understand that but the key is getting the foot in the door.

The other thing is that most of the BR shooters in Western Canada can be found lurking the Canadian BR site, or the 2 across the line. Those forums have more in common of what we are into.

Just some of my opinions.

CBY
 
LeJarretnoir, I guess the bottom line is what do you want to do with this rifle that you are set on a Rem 700 footprint? Most BR shooters build there BR rifles as a dedicated short range rifle. Very FEW use them as multi purpose rifles.

I know the majority of us shooters who shoot BR in western Canada are into BAT actions. We are getting to know them and the quirks they may have. See supposedly you pay top dollar for one of these actions which are supposed to be up to BR standards yet there are or appear to be issues with them. They also are a work in progress. The difference being not nearly as much required as say a Rem 700 or Savage. Just a bit of manual labor is required.

In regards to getting a build for this year if you do your own work that is a big plus. You have the barrel. You still need the stock, action. Those are what may be the issue because of the permits required to bring them in form the US.

Ask away and I will try my best to help you out.

CBY
 
clatartar,
PT&G will make bolts to whatever dimension you need.

coyote,
Not sure which bullets I'm going with yet. I was told there's a guy in Anniston cranking some good ones out and another dude up north. [Mitchell]?
Once I get the rifle components and get things together I'm hoping others will chime in with bullet recommendations.
I will get dies to match the reamer so another call to Dave Kiff will sort that out.
Still looking for a 40X action as a custom will take over 3 months.

cby,
I'm also trying to keep this in $1500 budget, so the uber cool custom actions like BAT, Panda, etc are over budget for me.
Won't be any resale on this. Usually what I build for myself gets recycled. :)
It will be a 10.5lb gun with weight system for HV and the ability to screw in practice barrels for home and local ranges.
I'll talk with Tom Meredith tomorrow for any TMBR stocks he might have on hand. Lester Bruno said it would take 3 months to order one.
 
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cycbb486 said:
Below should explain some of the reasons why there is not a lot of replies.



Yes, there used to be a few of us on the board. There may still be a few who lurk around on occasion but not very often. I know I lurk around to get a chuckle. That is about it. I cannot speak for the other Canadian BR shooters who are into the sport big time but I will speak for myself. The kicker with CGN is it is geared more to Tactical, Hunting and pistol. Everyone or almost everyone wants to be a Canadian sniper. They want the black look rifle. They want to run and gun. I hear it all the time, BR is too boring, you guys are to anal, it costs to much to get into. In reality you can get into it for what MOST guys on this forum pay for there builds with optics. This is what I see, guys paying way TO MUCH for what they get. If you look around you can buy a SLIGHTLY used TOP KNOTCH rifle for less than 3G notes. You do not need a 2-3 G note scope. You get into it with about a 500.00 used scope. Buy some wind flags or make them and you are off. Look south of the border. There are a few guys who import into Canada and in reality there pricing may appear high but a few hundred dollars is not to bad.

I try over and over to get more guys/gals into it and nopt to many are willing to pay a 60.00 entry fee for a weekend of shooting. It is not just that they want to get out and shoot they are worried about winning. I can understand that but the key is getting the foot in the door.

The other thing is that most of the BR shooters in Western Canada can be found lurking the Canadian BR site, or the 2 across the line. Those forums have more in common of what we are into.

Just some of my opinions.

CBY
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The precision rifle forums has gone very tactical you got that part right, I for one would enjoy seeing BR becoming popular again .
We used to shoot BR quite a few years ago now in N-B but it has died, I remember the first match I went to it was great to see the guys rushing to reload for the next string.

I've started shooting f-class and it's also fun but I much prefer BR if I had the choice.
 
I still plan on shooting F-Class as it's fun to do, but I always wanted to give BR a go.
There a couple of local clubs in my area, but the closest IBS range is Camillus, NY for me.
Stittsville use to have a big BR club, but it's long gone.

Different game, different discipline. I will be going the custom action route for sure now. I've been convinced by other short range Benchresters, that many have tried the factory reworked actions, but find the customs are more consistent in winning aggs day after day.
I'm learning from those that have tried this before many times and spent a fortune.

I should have a Borden Rimrock BR action here next week. :)
 
You will be fine with a Borden action. Like I said they are all good but may need a bit of tweaking and labor to get PERFECT. The big thing now a days is ignition.

When you get the action see how smooth the firing pin slides in the bolt shroud. In other words take the firing pin out of the bolt body. Hold the shroud in one hand and true and compress the spring with the other. See what kind of drag there is. I am not sure what tools are required to tkae the entire bolt appart but it is amazing what some 600 wet, followed by 1000 and 2000 will do to the performance of the bolt. I finish off with Flitz. I did the firing pin, spring(inside and out), the cocking piece, and the bolt shroud. Then I used the Flitz on a patched wooden dowel. Inserted it in a cordless drill and did the inside of the bolt body. Way SMOOTHER. Could only aid in performance.

The other thing you can do is see how strong the spring is. 25lbs is a GOOD number.

later
 
Good tip cycbb,
Jackie Schmidt has suggested the same thing in another forum. He also said that most custom actions must be looked over somewhat.
Just because it's CNC machined doesn't mean it's perfect. When it comes to BR gunsmiths Jackie is on my favourite list.

I have a Kleinindorst tool for a 700. The Borden shroud looks close to one. If nothing else I'll modify it.

What problems are you guys having with the BAT's?
 
Everything that I know has been heard while at matches States side. Like I said, the issues appear to be consistent ignition with the short actions like the SV or SB. I think it is a given that now any of the top shooters are looking over and reworking actions bit by bit. I think the issues that are talked about can happen with any custom action. Is the firing protrusion enough? Around 55 thou. Is the firing pin heavy enough and the spring stiff enough? Looking for about 25lbs of spring presure when cocked. How smooth does the firing pin feel. In other words, is there minimal drag.

The Kleindorst should work. I am not sure if the cocking piece on a Borden is installed like a BAT. 2 set screws that need removing, and then unscrew the firing pin from the cocking piece and you have total disassembly of a BAT bolt. Sand and polish away. Wipe with some EEZOX, put some Milcom grease on the pin and cocking piece before assembly.

Basically trying to leave nothing on the table.
 
Give me a shout on parts and stocks. All early stages but we are looking at some supply that will cater to BR and F class type shooting.

Berger 6mm Column instock.

Triggers and other bits and pieces possible too.

Send me a PM or Email as we aren't supposed to discuss this in the forum.

Thanks

Jerry
 
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