M&P Slide Release - A problem for IPSC

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I am registered for a Black Badge course this spring, and I have been doing a LOT of research on the gun I want to run in my first year. In the end, I *thought* I had decided on the M&P 9.

I have read this thread in it's entirety and participated;

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1016868-Need-Advice-on-IPSC-Production-Division-Pistol

Today I was at Epps, and handled an M&P, and a CZ Shadow.

I didn't like the CZ, so it's out of the running for me.

I loved everything about the M&P except the slide-release; I have big hands, and I found it really tough to disengage the release; it seemed to stick, and it is pretty small. I think some of that might be because it is new and needs to be worked in.

My questions are;

Will the slide-release loosen with use?

Is there an after-market release that is a bit bigger?

If there is an after-market release, does this take the gun out of IPSC PD?

Thanks.
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You dont really need the slide release on mp9. When the slide is locked back just slam a new loaded mag in and the slide releases on it's own putting a round in the chamber
 
I don't know much about that pistol so I can't answer your specific questions, but in my opinion I wouldn't worry too much about the slide release.

Your game plan for shooting any stage should not include running your pistol to slide lock.
I personally can't remember the last time I used my slide release during a course of fire.
If I miss enough to go to slide lock, I reload mag and rack the slide.
Aiming for a small slide release while on the clock can be slower than just manipulating the slide a little.

Also most pistols have the ability to release the slide if you insert the new loaded magazine with enough force.

Slide release smoothness should be far down on the list of things that would make or break your decision to buy a gun for ipsc.
 
It will loosen up with use, that's for sure. Running your pistol dry is not a great idea, and reaching for the small slide catch which you could easily miss anyway as apposed to the huge slide which is much harder to miss isn't the greatest idea either. Same as the guy above me has said. And, if you jam a mag in there hard enough it'll chamber a round for you.
 
when a semi auto has the slide locked back and a magazine with ammunition is inserted (be it a single round or full mag) pulling the slide to the rear slightly will allow the slide to fully close and go into battery. ready to fire. The slide "release" is also a slide "lock". the main use for it is to use to hold the slide open when the gun is empty. Pull the slide back while pushing up on the release, works to lock it, rather than to release it.
I cant think of anyone who shoots competitively or who carries for a living who would even think of using the slide release as a release.

There is a drill called "tap, rack". slam the mag home and rack the slide. this is how the gun should be operated anyway.
 
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Yes. During matches and your black badge you shouldn't be reloading unless there's already one in the chamber.

Or just use your hand and reload like in a defensive position. Honestly unless you're aiming for that .10 second of time spent reloading it's not going to have much difference.
 
hoochie said:
I cant think of anyone who shoots competitively or who carries for a living who would even think of using the slide release as a release.

There is a drill called "tap, rack". slam the mag home and rack the slide. this is how the gun should be operated anyway.
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every single IPSC shooter I shoot with uses the slide release as the slide release... and that includes some very good shooters.

tap rack is a malfunction clearance drill not a reloading drill.

but, as everyone else said, you dont shoot to slide lock anyways if you plan your stage right
 
if the slide doesn't auto forward, the fastest way to release the slide is to use the slide release/lock. The name changes depending on what you are doing with it. And yes, your M&P one will loosen up over time.
 
Everything else has been well covered.
By any chance, were you trying to operate the slide lock with an empty mag still in the gun?
(Seen it, been called in a panic over it...)

If so, it will be very difficult compared to a mag with ammo or no mag at all.
Also If so, don't worry about it because you will never be in a situation where you're releasing a slide lock on an empty mag.
 
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If there is an after-market release, does this take the gun out of IPSC PD?[/B]
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Yup. If it's an option from the original manufacturer you are ok, but a slide stop made by a different company is not legal for Production.

It's all in the rulebook in appendix D4.
 
flyrrad said:
..... its my understanding that the slam the magazine home and the slide will battery doesn't always work.... the "tap rack" is really cool and does work!
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That is what I am noticing as well. Seems to not function more often than does function when I "slam" a loaded magazine in when the slide locked backwards from emptying a mag.
 
flyrrad said:
the "tap rack" is really cool and does work!
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But it's slower than your competitors operating the slide lock / slide stop, so if this is the only option - you're at a disadvantage before you get to the range for the IPSC competition.

Slavex said:
if the slide doesn't auto forward, the fastest way to release the slide is to use the slide release/lock.
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Like Slavex said!

Continuing your weak hand from the insertion of a magazine to your thumb on the slide stop then to a proper grip is far more fluid and therefore a quicker motion than slamming a mag in and reaching back for the slide, then going to a grip.

All that said,
smiley1 said:
If your doing IPSC properly you'll usually change mags before going to slide lock. So don't worry :)
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What Smiley1 said is also correct but of course - there's always the SHTF times when you're trying to salvage a stage from a F-up...
 
flyrrad said:
No argument on the speed.... I usually drop my slide with the lever cuz I indeed find it quicker .... but my MP9 doesn't go into battery just by slamming the mag in either so I became accustomed to using the slide release. :cool:
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Excellent call. I've never seen a gun that could be relied on to close the slide on a mag insertion 100%.
 
You need to slap the mag in on an angle and it will close 99 percent of the time on an M&p. I've had less success with other guns
 
I'm fairly new to pistols, and first thought my cz was worn out when it started chambering a round when inserting a mag with a bit of authority. Then cgn forum set me straight. Thanks guys. My M&P 9, bought it used with approx 250 down the pipe, had it out for the first shoot yesterday and put 300 thru it. Every time a mag was inserted with authority from lock back, it chambered a round. M&P is nice however I still prefer the cz .40. Something about the all steel I think. Totally different feel.
 
My M&P 9 will do it consistently, as well as one belonging to a friend. A useful 'feature' for action shooting.
 
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