I have a winchester carbine in good condition. Fun to shoot but here is my question. It is a Bovarian Police model. Rear peep sight removed and a V sight installed in front of the action. Peep can be reinstalled if wanted. Does the Bovarian connection add, subtract, or is a non issue. The talk on line in the US is all over with values from 800-1500 asking, not sure what selling price really is. I know there are some very knowable people on here and I thank thouseands in the know. AJ.
M1 30 carbine
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I would guess the 500-700$ range. A regular M1 Carbine I could see going for 500-800$ in Canada (just a typical mixmaster which is restricted).
Biggest issue you will run into is the demand isn't as high for these Carbines as they once were. The fact they are now restricted (range only) toys with 5rd magazines really doesn't help when selling them (expecially now that the ammo is harder to find and more expensive than it was before). It all depends on who wants it and how badly.
Biggest issue you will run into is the demand isn't as high for these Carbines as they once were. The fact they are now restricted (range only) toys with 5rd magazines really doesn't help when selling them (expecially now that the ammo is harder to find and more expensive than it was before). It all depends on who wants it and how badly.
All M1 Carbines were originally mix masters as they were built using a decentralized manufacturing process. About the only thing that is usually (not always though) from the same manufacturer would be the barrel and receiver. If you find an M1 Carbine all from the same manufacturer, it is incorrect and a pieced together carbine. As for serializing, The US only serialized the reciever. The Germans or Austrians serialized all the major components when they received them.
Whoa! Can't let that go by r_taylor, you are SO wrong. Most of the WW II builders of M1 carbines made, or had made for them parts that were marked with their unique code for their own carbines,. Example "W", for Winchester, "I" for Inland, "B" for IBM and so on. Most carbines in WW II came out of the respective factories with matching parts, thus coded, with a few exceptions where parts were shared among companies. War Baby series by Larry Ruth, or Riesch book on wartime M1 carbine production are good start points for research.
Some of the contractors, Quality Hdw, Saginaw S'G', and National Postal Meter didn't make any barrels, and used free issue from Underwood, and others. Marlin & Buffalo only made barrels, and are found on NPM, STD PRO, and QH, I-P, S'G', NPM, and STD PRO respectively, although Underwood is the most common for these makers. Winchester, IBM and Rock-ola also shared barrels with others too. "P" proof marks for any of these barrels are unique to the main contractor, ie a "P" stamp on an Underwood barrel on an NPM is different to a "P" stamp on an Underwood barrel on a S'G carbine.
Retro-built carbines are easy to spot, staking marks on the dovetail, wear marks on the barrel from Type III barrel bands, and more.
Mixmasters came about, post war, due to upgrades and rebuilds to upgraded parts, namely adjustable rear sights, bayonet Type III barrel bands, and flip safeties. Some with T-17 kits to make them select fire, like the M2 carbine. Stocks were stamped with letters to indicate which US arsenal did the upgrade, except FN in Belgium which used no stamping at all.
For a good website on German/Austrian use of M1 carbines by my colleague is at http://www.bavarianm1carbines.com/
Germans stamped the last 4 digits of the original S/N on the stock, bolt, slide, and a few other parts.
Bavarian carbines with notched rear sight are around the same retail value as as any restricted M1 carbine, depending on condition, $600-$800 CAD.
Some of the contractors, Quality Hdw, Saginaw S'G', and National Postal Meter didn't make any barrels, and used free issue from Underwood, and others. Marlin & Buffalo only made barrels, and are found on NPM, STD PRO, and QH, I-P, S'G', NPM, and STD PRO respectively, although Underwood is the most common for these makers. Winchester, IBM and Rock-ola also shared barrels with others too. "P" proof marks for any of these barrels are unique to the main contractor, ie a "P" stamp on an Underwood barrel on an NPM is different to a "P" stamp on an Underwood barrel on a S'G carbine.
Retro-built carbines are easy to spot, staking marks on the dovetail, wear marks on the barrel from Type III barrel bands, and more.
Mixmasters came about, post war, due to upgrades and rebuilds to upgraded parts, namely adjustable rear sights, bayonet Type III barrel bands, and flip safeties. Some with T-17 kits to make them select fire, like the M2 carbine. Stocks were stamped with letters to indicate which US arsenal did the upgrade, except FN in Belgium which used no stamping at all.
For a good website on German/Austrian use of M1 carbines by my colleague is at http://www.bavarianm1carbines.com/
Germans stamped the last 4 digits of the original S/N on the stock, bolt, slide, and a few other parts.
Bavarian carbines with notched rear sight are around the same retail value as as any restricted M1 carbine, depending on condition, $600-$800 CAD.
manteo97 is correct many carbine manufactures made all parts and they are coded I have several 100% orig all matching carbines (even if the receiver maker did not make barrels they had a contractor who did thus rifle is correct)
the postwar rebuild and ongoing upgrade means every carbine in U.S hands was rebuilt and had upgraded parts installed thus the mixmasters of today
the postwar rebuild and ongoing upgrade means every carbine in U.S hands was rebuilt and had upgraded parts installed thus the mixmasters of today
The action, barrel, stock and a few other parts are marked W. The stock, action, all have the last 4 # of the SIN stamped or marked. The cartouche is crossed cannons. as far as condition it is better than most but has seen the war and is over 70 years old. I know very little about military gun so thanks to "loveoftherut" for his helping ID this gun.
One thing with the German carbines that I've noticed is that the filler block in the rear sight base is normally done very well - in some cases you can't tell there's a block in there without getting the light just right. As far as rebuilds go, I think Manteo beat me to a completely original early (very early) non-refurbed carbine at a gun show a couple of years back, quite amazing, all matching early M1 Carbines are rare and highly desirable.
the 4 digits on parts is what the Germans did as for the stock the crossed cannons is not a maker stamp if you look in the sling slot very closely you may see some letters the big flat area of the sling slot the handguard will also have some letters on the underside all parts will have a letter stamp the front sling/barrel band the front sight and every part of the trigger group
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I'm sorry but your information is mostly incorrect, they weren't mixmaster to start, Inland and Winchester had all the tooling and parts contracted or subcontracted to build complete carbines. Others had small parts and barrels built by primary or sub contractors. To say that a carbine with all the same parts is pieced together is incorrect and just your uneducated opinion. It would have been better said if you found an Irwin Pederson carbine with all IP parts, well that would be a pieced together rifle.
Manteo your post is correct in every way
I've seen pics of the carbine and told the OP the same info being posted here
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Like I said; live4therut was very helpful and was on the money. A "collector" local had some different information so that is the reason for the thread. I looked at some US sites and the value there seems to be dropping as well. Thanks all for your help with this rifle, it is all new to me. I did not know anything about US guns in Germany after the war.
live4therut
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No harm in shooting her, so grab some ammo and have some fun!
ok, sorry to go off on a small tangent but from what your saying here my Rock-ola might not be a basket case after all if the barrel is stampted differently?
From what I know, Rock-ola produced and primarily used their own barrels.
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I will add that these are very easy to reload for... and is a very potent little round. Very fun to shoot.
