M1 Carbines pricing

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I have come into possession of two M1 Carbines, one Rock-ola, one Inland.
I will be putting them up for sale but want to keep one, just not sure which will be the most desirable as they are in equally good condition when it comes to form and function.
Question; how does one go about finding a fair price range? I have only found American sites to compare against and that isn't really accurate because availability and demand seem to differ. I looked on CGN but it is difficult to sort though all the "M1 Garand" hits.

Is there a reliable "red book" for milsurp or is it purely speculative?


thanks
 
Hi,

Unfortunately there's no way for anyone to give an accurate appraisal based on the information provided.

You will need to post photos for us to see if it's original, refurbished, all-USGI parts of a mix of USGI/Commercial.

Regards,
-Steve
 
Thank you all, I knew that photos would be needed but I wasn't sure what specifically to photograph. I'll try to get some up.

good to know about the Rock-Ola as well, thanks!
 
From the pictures you've provided, looks to be a Bavarian Police post war issue carbine.

They went over the original parkerized finish with a black oxide finish.

If all the carbines components show the correct markings for the serial number on the receiver, retaining its original parts from the factory, then it would hold more value over a mixed parts carbine which has seen post war service with the Germans.

Not quite as valuable as a GI M1 carbine, which may have a mix of manufacturer parts, but still showing all parts with their original finish ....IMHO
 
Bottom of trigger guard- WB-LP-2379
(Württemberg Landespolizei.- The Wuerttemberg inventory number is 2379)
The markings on the trigger guard are from the Wuerttemberg Landespolizei, Wuerttemberg's version of Bavaria's Rural Police.
 
Here is an M1 carbine serial numbered 769724 with a 7-43 Inland barrel date --a WB-LP-2265 Wuerttemberg inventory number stamped on the bottom of the triggerguard ---in a RMO (Rock-Ola) cartouched stock.
It also has Bavaria Rural Police stamped on the left receiver rail.
Talk about a mix-master with a colourful past.












The top carbine.

 
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Check out this web site --you will learn more about the history of your carbine.
Jim Mock the owner of the web site will probably want the details of your carbine to put in his data bank.
I bought my two Bavaria carbines back in 2007---I don't know what they are worth today.
At least you will know more about the M1 carbine that you own.

http://www.bavarianm1carbines.com/

Summary description of this gun by Jim Mock the Bavarian M1 carbine guru.

Yes, this one is a mixmaster when it comes to the original U.S. parts and the German markings. But there's a reason related to it's history
The markings on the trigger guard are from the Wuerttemberg Landes Polizei. Wuerttemberg's version of Bavaria's Rural Police. This marking dates the carbine as given to the Germans of Wuerttemberg between the end of the war and prior to 1952, likely prior to 1948 and one of the first carbines given to the Germans. The Wuerttemberg inventory number 2265 is not the earliest I've seen, but certainly not detracting from it's history.

If you look at the receiver, barrel, front sight and barrel band they all appear to have been reblued. This was likely done after the carbine was turned over to Bavaria by Wuerttemberg. What indicates the trigger housing is not just a mismatch is the area on the receiver below the serial number. After the Bavarians treated the receiver etc with hot black oxide, they buffed down this area below the serial number. The reason for this...this is where Wuerttemberg placed the initials L.P.W., and the antler of Wuerttemberg. Wuerttemberg did not stamp the last digits of the serial number on the rear of the trigger housing, slide, bolt, and sometimes slingwell.

To put this another way...this carbine indicates that it was given to Bavaria by Wuerttemberg, who got it probably 1946-1948. I've seen one other but without the buffed down area where the LPW should be. I suspected this, but this carbine is significant proof. That it went to the Rural Police from the Landes Polizei is a good possibility. The other carbine I saw was the same markings and a similar configuration. The history of this carbine is it served early on and in two different German States, of the total of 3 that got M1 carbines. The Rural Police phased the carbines out completely about 1967/1968.

The other part of this rifle that's of interest is the 6 digit Inland serial number along with the rear sight, barrel, barrel band, and front sight. These are original Inland

The stock is another positive. While not an Inland stock and probably placed on the receiver etc by the Bavarians after the black oxide treatment, it's a type 1 with matching handguard and a very clear cartouche. The stock is in pretty good condition, from what I can see.
 
I was given this box of German manufactured ammunition by Bruce Strader as a ‘thank you’ for helping him find a buyer for an M1 Bavaria carbine that he had.
I never opened the box---maybe he did?
Bruce had a major collection that was sold at auction on June 1 2013.
He died on March 17 2015.
I still have a 12.3 Russian PPSh-41 that I got from him in 2005.

 
If it is not taped or sealed, open it up and see what is inside, you will not devalue it as its already been opened.
 
john@

One day I will open the box---in the meantime I have large bag full of .30 cal. M1 cartridges that I bought years ago at a gun show.

The story of this carbine goes back to August 2007 when I took photos of it at Bruce Strader's house.
I sent the photos to Jim Mock in California and he sent them to the fellow in Barrie, Ontario that eventually purchased the carbine.
Bruce had acquired the carbine from Century Arms years ago and it came with the barrel extension as shown in the photos below.





The buyer was skilled with a lathe and did a nice job of removing the TIG welded barrel extension.





The finished product.



This carbine has a National Postal Meter receiver serial numbered 4,080,030 with an Underwood barrel dated 9-43.



The stock has Wurttemberg Landespolizei markings with an SG crossed cannons stamp.







Some of Jim Mock's comments following receipt of my photos.

Comparing the stock to the receiver, recoil plate, and handguard there are very minimal witness marks, if any. It appears this handguard is not a match for the stock, and the stock is not a match for the receiver, recoil plate, and barrel band. The one thing that should be present that would verify this or prove me wrong is the presence of the serial number inside the stock forearm. My bet is it's not a match, but ...

Receiver
Sometimes the Wurttemberg Landespolizei put markings on the recoil plate or receiver above it, sometimes not.

The top of the receiver to the left of the bolt is absolutely beyond any doubt whatsoever where there was a Bavaria Police agency name that was ground down and covered over. This receiver was used by a Bavaria Police agency. The name was removed by a European gunbroker who had it between when Germany sold it and Century Arms bought it.

Other Parts
The bolt and slide are replacements. The trigger housing is the plum color consistent with Bavaria rebluing it. The handguard is a replacement that has had the metal plate repaired.

Observations
Bavaria sometimes stamped 4 digits in the usual places on the carbines they obtained from the Wurttemberg Landespolizei, but the majority they left the Wurttemberg digit configuration stand, without additions. The Wurttemberg Landespolizei did not put the serial number digits on the slide, rear of the trigger housing, top of the bolt. They placed the last 4 digits or the entire serial number inside the stock forearm and the underside of the handguard. Sometimes they stamped the entire serial number in the slingwell or bottom of the handgrip or on the right side of the stock behind the slingwell. The 74 in this position would be interesting to compare to any numbers inside the stock forearm. The two digit use has been observed on one carbine and may turn up on more. The L.P. in the bottom of the stock forearm is a first for what I've seen so far.

The one place there should be Wurttemberg Landespolizei markings is on the bottom of the trigger guard. It would be easy to assume this trigger housing was a replacement, but, I'd like to know if those numbers are in the stock forearm and compare them to the rest of the numbers.
 
Wow I've heard about them but that's the first time I've seen the welded on barrel extension, what a hack job, I assume they were done better than that (i.e. seemless and just looks like the barrel is longer). Nice to see it fixed and back to original.
 
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