M1 garand c sniper.
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From http://www.scott-duff.com/M1C.htm
The blocks are between 3,100,000 and 3,800,000, encompassing less than 8,000 rifles, so that's not very helpful beyond eliminating poor forgeries. They were all Springfields.
The blocks are between 3,100,000 and 3,800,000, encompassing less than 8,000 rifles, so that's not very helpful beyond eliminating poor forgeries. They were all Springfields.
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Col-De_Groot
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I've only ever seen standard ones that weren't all original and even they were around $2,500 so you're looking upwards of that I would assume.
#1bcshooter
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themarauder
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I'm guessing not in the last few decades.Mine cost $199.00 from a dealer in Quebec
m14medic.ca
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I recently did a safety inspection on a M1 C sniper.
The owner had a close call with a round that touched off when the rifle was not fully into battery.
I did a full safety inspection on the rifle, as well as a clean and lube. The owner was quite disappointed when upon completion Of the work, my inspection report disclosed the fact that it was a clone and not an original sniper. He had paid for a allnoriginal sniper not a clone....
The rifle was unsafe to fire in my opinion, due in part to the damage done to the rifle when the OOB occurred.
Op, if the rifle in question is located in SK, Pm me and I will supply the serial # of the fugazy
John
The owner had a close call with a round that touched off when the rifle was not fully into battery.
I did a full safety inspection on the rifle, as well as a clean and lube. The owner was quite disappointed when upon completion Of the work, my inspection report disclosed the fact that it was a clone and not an original sniper. He had paid for a allnoriginal sniper not a clone....
The rifle was unsafe to fire in my opinion, due in part to the damage done to the rifle when the OOB occurred.
Op, if the rifle in question is located in SK, Pm me and I will supply the serial # of the fugazy
John
If you belong to the Garand Collectors Association they offer a no cost authentication for M1Cs. I had mine authenticated a number of years ago.
There are many things to considerer with M1Cs. Quite a few are Korean war era re-works with replacement barrels of 1951/52 vintage. Scope mounts and brackets are another issue. They were serial numbered to the receiver, but over time a lot were swapped around so you will see mis-matches. Nowadays there are knock-off brackets and mounts in circulation.
Correct scopes are another aspect. The M1C used either a M81 or M82 scope, both of which are military versions of the Lyman Alaskan with unique markings and sunshades at the front end and a rubber eye cup at the other. I found a military eyecup in original packaging 10 yrs ago or so and paid $50 for it, a bargain I thought. To complicate things even further some stock commercial Alaskans were used as well.
One thing's for sure, a bona fide M1C is a very rare bird indeed.
There are many things to considerer with M1Cs. Quite a few are Korean war era re-works with replacement barrels of 1951/52 vintage. Scope mounts and brackets are another issue. They were serial numbered to the receiver, but over time a lot were swapped around so you will see mis-matches. Nowadays there are knock-off brackets and mounts in circulation.
Correct scopes are another aspect. The M1C used either a M81 or M82 scope, both of which are military versions of the Lyman Alaskan with unique markings and sunshades at the front end and a rubber eye cup at the other. I found a military eyecup in original packaging 10 yrs ago or so and paid $50 for it, a bargain I thought. To complicate things even further some stock commercial Alaskans were used as well.
One thing's for sure, a bona fide M1C is a very rare bird indeed.
I got one of those
Mine cost $199.00 from a dealer in Quebec
I'll give you 500$ for it now!!
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M1C sniper rifles are very rare and expensive in Canada. M1D sniper rifles are common in comparison (I have had two CMP certified M1D originals, one new out of the box Toole Arsenal June 1969 conversion). An M1C complete would likely cost about $10,000 CAD or more, IF you can find one for sale. You CAN purchase one from the USA from a dealer or private owner provided that you follow the rules. M1C rifles can be bought by Americans right now from the Civilian Marksmanship Program (they WILL run out possibly sooner than later) BUT ONLY TO AMERICANS. AMERICANS ARE APPARENTLY NOT ALLOWED TO BUY FOR SOMEONE ELSE as that is called a "Straw purchase". However if an American later decides to sell his rifle, you may buy it and import it into Canada via Borderview in Lynden WA. They are an FFL and have PAL and are EXCELLENT! Irunguns also will import, though I found they were not good at replying to my emails.
I had the accessories for the M1C (original M81 scope, original authenticated M1C slide (upper mount), original "K Line" cheek rest - the WWII version). After assessing the cost of getting a rifle from the USA, and deciding to focus my limited resources on Canadian and British sniping gear, I ended up selling the parts to an American friend who immediately went to the CMP and bought an M1C and is enjoying it.
Rifles from the CMP come with a certificate of authenticity. This really tells you that it was sold as an M1C but does not guarantee that it was not put together, rebuilt or modified by a foreign government. Also those came back to the USA missing the scopes and slides, cheek rests, and flash hiders. As a result prices have shot up on those accessories/parts.
As well there are the "SA52" (Springfield Amory 1952 conversions) marked M1C rifles. These had the holes plugged for mounting the scope (I strongly suspect that they were unused M1C receivers rather than de-snipered). One can drill out and reinstall a scope mount but the SA-52 marking tells serious collectors that it was not as issued. In Lee-Enfield terms, those are similar to the No. 4 MK. I or MK. I* (T. LESS TELESCOPE) which were unfinished sniper conversions i.e. never had scope and bracket fitted, or like the Soviet ex-sniper Mosin 91/30 where scopes were removed and scope mounting holes plugged (more common in the USA).
M1C as mentioned by another writer, originally had scopes matched to the rifles by numbering the slide with the rifle SN, like the British, but this system quickly fell apart so I suspect that almost all surviving M1C have mismatched slides today, except possibly for those that went into study collections early on.
Collectors Source has (as of today 2016-10-26) an M82 scope without mount and they want CAD $3,500 for it (ouch!) This is correct for the M1C. That one appears to have the rings to fit on an M1903A4 Springfield sniper rifle. http://www.collectorssource.com/us-m82-scope.html
Original cheek rests, including the rare WWII K-Line marked version, are available on eBay as are the flash hiders (
DO YOUR HOMEWORK! Most US military small arms were arsenal overhauled and as one Garand expert says are now "parts flying together in formation".
There were three or four versions of the M1C
1. M1C with M81 or M82 scope. These scopes have the extending sunshard and the rubber eye shield. NOTE: A small caches of rubber eye shields NOS was recently found. I bought one for mine and that was over $400 CAD delivered.
2. USMC version with longer slide and different scope. I missed out on such a slide in Alberta as I did not recognize it. :-(
3, M1C with Infra-red night sight.
4. "SA-52" marked.
Here is the CMP web site page: http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/m1-garand/
Note that it is in USD, for AMERICANS.
M1C GARAND "SNIPER" MODEL
ITEM # DESCRIPTION PRICE
RM1CSB* M1C Garand, SA (Springfield) Service Grade
Good Condition - Limited Quantity
Receiver Base installed - DOES NOT include scope mount, scope or cheek pad
*See above for grade description
$3035
Free Shipping
RM1CFB M1C Garand, SA (Springfield) Field Grade, Limited Quantity, Receiver Base Installed – DOES NOT include scope mount, scope or cheek pad.
*See above for grade description
$2235
Free Shipping
MIC Garand “Sniper” Model - all grades - receiver base installed. Rifle DOES NOT include scope mount, scope or cheek pad. May or may not have any serial numbers on the bases, but the serial numbers will not match the serial number of the rifle. These are not sorted by whether or not there were numbers on the bases.
I had the accessories for the M1C (original M81 scope, original authenticated M1C slide (upper mount), original "K Line" cheek rest - the WWII version). After assessing the cost of getting a rifle from the USA, and deciding to focus my limited resources on Canadian and British sniping gear, I ended up selling the parts to an American friend who immediately went to the CMP and bought an M1C and is enjoying it.
Rifles from the CMP come with a certificate of authenticity. This really tells you that it was sold as an M1C but does not guarantee that it was not put together, rebuilt or modified by a foreign government. Also those came back to the USA missing the scopes and slides, cheek rests, and flash hiders. As a result prices have shot up on those accessories/parts.
As well there are the "SA52" (Springfield Amory 1952 conversions) marked M1C rifles. These had the holes plugged for mounting the scope (I strongly suspect that they were unused M1C receivers rather than de-snipered). One can drill out and reinstall a scope mount but the SA-52 marking tells serious collectors that it was not as issued. In Lee-Enfield terms, those are similar to the No. 4 MK. I or MK. I* (T. LESS TELESCOPE) which were unfinished sniper conversions i.e. never had scope and bracket fitted, or like the Soviet ex-sniper Mosin 91/30 where scopes were removed and scope mounting holes plugged (more common in the USA).
M1C as mentioned by another writer, originally had scopes matched to the rifles by numbering the slide with the rifle SN, like the British, but this system quickly fell apart so I suspect that almost all surviving M1C have mismatched slides today, except possibly for those that went into study collections early on.
Collectors Source has (as of today 2016-10-26) an M82 scope without mount and they want CAD $3,500 for it (ouch!) This is correct for the M1C. That one appears to have the rings to fit on an M1903A4 Springfield sniper rifle. http://www.collectorssource.com/us-m82-scope.html
Original cheek rests, including the rare WWII K-Line marked version, are available on eBay as are the flash hiders (
DO YOUR HOMEWORK! Most US military small arms were arsenal overhauled and as one Garand expert says are now "parts flying together in formation".
There were three or four versions of the M1C
1. M1C with M81 or M82 scope. These scopes have the extending sunshard and the rubber eye shield. NOTE: A small caches of rubber eye shields NOS was recently found. I bought one for mine and that was over $400 CAD delivered.
2. USMC version with longer slide and different scope. I missed out on such a slide in Alberta as I did not recognize it. :-(
3, M1C with Infra-red night sight.
4. "SA-52" marked.
Here is the CMP web site page: http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/m1-garand/
Note that it is in USD, for AMERICANS.
M1C GARAND "SNIPER" MODEL
ITEM # DESCRIPTION PRICE
RM1CSB* M1C Garand, SA (Springfield) Service Grade
Good Condition - Limited Quantity
Receiver Base installed - DOES NOT include scope mount, scope or cheek pad
*See above for grade description
$3035
Free Shipping
RM1CFB M1C Garand, SA (Springfield) Field Grade, Limited Quantity, Receiver Base Installed – DOES NOT include scope mount, scope or cheek pad.
*See above for grade description
$2235
Free Shipping
MIC Garand “Sniper” Model - all grades - receiver base installed. Rifle DOES NOT include scope mount, scope or cheek pad. May or may not have any serial numbers on the bases, but the serial numbers will not match the serial number of the rifle. These are not sorted by whether or not there were numbers on the bases.
Col-De_Groot
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- Ottawa ON.
No way, that's awesome, I can't find them anywhere for less than $2,000.
#1bcshooter
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- North Of The DMZ (US border)
My $199.00 special !
Col-De_Groot
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- Ottawa ON.
wow, you guys are so lucky, one day I'll have one of my own.
M1C Sniper rifles
Good Day Seaworth,
Thank you for your excellent general overview of the M1C series. Just a few additional points/ questions. The MC-1 (USMC) mount has been reproduced albeit without any markings so potential buyers should carefully inspect any that are offered for sale.
I've only seen one or two pictures of an M1C with an infra-red sight and they were not very clear to begin with. I understand that a number of years ago, a few rifles were floating around Canada with a welded(?) rail attached in the same position as the M-1C's rail. Do you have pictures or can you expand on its description? Its uncertain if this was a US modification or were they NATO partners who did the modification.
Below are a few pictures of some of my M1C and D rifles I've found over the years.
Regards,
Michael
Good Day Seaworth,
Thank you for your excellent general overview of the M1C series. Just a few additional points/ questions. The MC-1 (USMC) mount has been reproduced albeit without any markings so potential buyers should carefully inspect any that are offered for sale.
I've only seen one or two pictures of an M1C with an infra-red sight and they were not very clear to begin with. I understand that a number of years ago, a few rifles were floating around Canada with a welded(?) rail attached in the same position as the M-1C's rail. Do you have pictures or can you expand on its description? Its uncertain if this was a US modification or were they NATO partners who did the modification.
Below are a few pictures of some of my M1C and D rifles I've found over the years.
Regards,
Michael
The Garand receivers with the welded on brackets were a Danish modification for IR sight. There is a rail which is bolted to the brackets which serves as a mount dor the IR sight unit.
AFAIK the Danes only modified tbeir Beretta or Breda rifles for this purpose. I've owned a 2 digit Beretta with the welded on brackets and rail for 15-16 years and I've kept it with the hope of locating one of the IR sight units.
The welded on brackets don't look very elegant, but they obviously got the job done.
AFAIK the Danes only modified tbeir Beretta or Breda rifles for this purpose. I've owned a 2 digit Beretta with the welded on brackets and rail for 15-16 years and I've kept it with the hope of locating one of the IR sight units.
The welded on brackets don't look very elegant, but they obviously got the job done.
Good Day,
Thank you for the clarification as to the origin. Please provide a few pics of the rifles and mounts. Someone might recognize the correct scope they need.
Regards,
Michael
as purple has stated they are for the IR scope, also had a batt. pack and a bunch of extra gear to accompany them, the scope I believe is the same as the M1 carbine IR scope, I have a number of these Dane recievers also in Breda and Beretta. I have pictures of the complete unit I will see if I can find It.
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