M1 Garand maximum permitted magazine capacity?

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I did a quick search for this but didn't find an answer though I am sure it has been asked before. In Canada how does one get around the 5 round maximum with the M1 Garand and it's 8 round en blocs?
 
Wow I am surprised to hear the government actually made an exemption to something for once rather than just outright try to ban it. That is good to hear though. Is there someplace on the CFP's website that lists these sorts of exemptions?
 
Pocketfisherman said:
It is exempt, no getting around it the garand enblocs are eight rounds by design. Thank John Garand!
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One of the better Canadian firearm designers, though I doubt he could have predicted just how asinine the gun grabbers would get.

ctstannard said:
Wow I am surprised to hear the government actually made an exemption to something for once rather than just outright try to ban it. That is good to hear though. Is there someplace on the CFP's website that lists these sorts of exemptions?
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http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-462/page-2.html#docCont

Once you get past the highly depressing lists at the beginning to Part 4 Section 3 it lists all the specific exemptions.
 
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Corps said:
It is THE exemption.

In any case, it's all in the Firearms Act.
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No it's not the only exemption, theres the Lee Enfield (exempted on account of the full auto versions made), the Charlton, the Farquhar-Hill, the Huot, the Lewis, the Vickers, the Bren, the Hotchkiss, saddle drums for german AA MGs, belts designed before 1945, Luger snail drums, Webley-Scott magazines, the C96, and handgun magazines made before 1910.

It's just the one you're most likely to run into.
 
Nope, anything manually operated has no magazine capacity limits (bolt, lever, pump). As for the Garand, it is specifically exempt. I think there are 5 round en blocks out there, but not necessary. Perhaps for hunting though. Maybe some provinces have rifle capacity restrictions for hunting, I'm not sure.
 
ctstannard said:
Thank you for the link!

So does the Lee Enfield still need to have it's magazine pinned at 5 rounds?
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No. They are exempt which often confuses people. Enfield mags were designed for use in a full auto variant as well as the typical bolt action. If it wasn't for the auto variant, the exemption wouldn't be needed, as they then would only be for a bolt action which have no limits on their designed mags.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread805826/pg1
 
I have taken game with my 8 rd enbloc Garand, but I also have a couple of modified 5 rd clips in the event some overzealous and uninformed CO decides to be super cop.
 
This is all good to know.

I am glad the laws allow for these rifles to function as-designed and not require any strange modification (bastardization?) to make them adhere to the laws.

Thanks again for the information! As always CGN is the perfect place to find out this kind of stuff.
 
fenceline said:
No. They are exempt which often confuses people. Enfield mags were designed for use in a full auto variant as well as the typical bolt action. If it wasn't for the auto variant, the exemption wouldn't be needed, as they then would only be for a bolt action which have no limits on their designed mags.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread805826/pg1
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They weren't actually designed for use in a full auto variant. The design of the magazines was complete well before there was any thought of making a full auto rifle that uses them and hasn't change since. Similarly, the ten round magazines designed and made for the AIA modern production .308Win version of the Lee Enfield No.4 haven't become prohibited devices despite the fact that there is a semi-auto centrefire long gun that can use them but in the latter case, no exemption has been written into the regulations.
 
Yes I understand, but apparently the concern at the time was the existance of such designs would limit enfield mags to five as the were usable in the full autos. There is a line in the act that states enfield mags are exempt at ten rounds. There is no need for said exemption, but it is there to cover the full auto issue.

A law so confusing the authors didn't know or understand what they were writing.
 
Which showstagoya how arbitrary the law can be. Why is one rifle deemed not a threat to society whereas another with a different mag capacity a no-no?

I once owned an FN-49 in .30-'06. It had a ten round mag that was NOT a mag unless in place on the rifle as it had no mag lips to retain rounds. Those were in the receiver. So, in order to hunt with it, you would need to single load it or be prepared to stuff rounds into it once you were on the ground.

Does this non-mag need to be pinned to 5 rds? To my knowledge, it is not a restricted or prohibited rifle.
 
Sharps '63 said:
Which showstagoya how arbitrary the law can be. Why is one rifle deemed not a threat to society whereas another with a different mag capacity a no-no?

I once owned an FN-49 in .30-'06. It had a ten round mag that was NOT a mag unless in place on the rifle as it had no mag lips to retain rounds. Those were in the receiver. So, in order to hunt with it, you would need to single load it or be prepared to stuff rounds into it once you were on the ground.

Does this non-mag need to be pinned to 5 rds? To my knowledge, it is not a restricted or prohibited rifle.
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Yes unfortunately it does need to be pinned. The rifle is non-restricted and they pop up from time to time (mostly in 8mm mauser and 30-06) but are fairly pricy (about 1000 or more).
 
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