M10 Ross Rifle need info

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Yesterday I've become the proud owner of my first Ross rifle. Got it for what I believe is a steal I paid 100$ for it. Il have pictures too come soon as I get access to a computer with internet. So for now il describe it. On the top is writin Ross rifle co. Canada, M10, patented, on the barrel is writin nitro approve 303, stamp on top of nitro say (not English make). The stock is sporterized and the bolt is the model with the threaded end. The rear sight is a flip up sight with adjustment screw. Only thing which kind of botters me is the fact i cannot find a serial number which makes it hard to track. And I end this saying I know this tread is worthless without pics but they are soon to come thanks for any help I can get
















 
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A good buy! I love my Ross rifles! :)

The Serial Numbers were stamped into the buttstock... so you probably will never know the year yours was made if the stock has been sporterized and sanded... :redface:


Cheers!
 
more info too come but from memory the barrel is shorter then my no1 mk3* sht lee and the front sight hood is missing after searching the internet ive seen that my buttstock is overly common babba stock with the name white line on it. another interesting point is the 303 stamps on the rifle even tho m10 ross was only made .280 ross so if any 1 can enlighten...barrel seems to be about 21'' will need to find a mesuring tape
 
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Must add to clear it up; all the Mk III have M-10 (for Model of 1910) stamped on the receiver, but the military model is correctly named as Mk III (they all have the threaded bolt heads).
The Model M-10 is a sporting rifle chambered in .280 Ross. Basically the same action but with a different magazine and a schnabel fore end stock.
 
Go to your local Dollar Store and get a BLACK LIGHT bulb.

Shield your eyes from its direct beam; it puts out a LOT of UV.

Inspect the right side of the butt.

When numbers were stamped, they compressed the wood. When the marks were sanded out, these marks disappeared but the wood under them remained compressed. The Black Light source (UV) often will show these marks even though they are no longer visible.

Black Light is also used by paper money and stamp collectors to reveal repairs in paper and some types of forgeries.

It also does amazing things to a sheer nylon blouse on a pretty girl. Worth the price right there and you get to check your rifle for free!

Bonus!
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hacer2 said:
Yesterday I've become the proud owner of my first Ross rifle. Got it for what I believe is a steal I paid 100$ for it. Il have pictures too come soon as I get access to a computer with internet. So for now il describe it. On the top is writin Ross rifle co. Canada, M10, patented, on the barrel is writin nitro approve 303, stamp on top of nitro say (not English make). The stock is sporterized and the bolt is the model with the threaded end. The rear sight is a flip up sight with adjustment screw. Only thing which kind of botters me is the fact i cannot find a serial number which makes it hard to track. And I end this saying I know this tread is worthless without pics but they are soon to come thanks for any help I can get
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HA! Sounds identical to mine, I also paid only $100 for it because the stock needed refinishing. I think she turned out nice, and she's a damn good shooter too...
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smellie said:
Go to your local Dollar Store and get a BLACK LIGHT bulb.

Shield your eyes from its direct beam; it puts out a LOT of UV.

Inspect the right side of the butt.

When numbers were stamped, they compressed the wood. When the marks were sanded out, these marks disappeared but the wood under them remained compressed. The Black Light source (UV) often will show these marks even though they are no longer visible.

Black Light is also used by paper money and stamp collectors to reveal repairs in paper and some types of forgeries.

It also does amazing things to a sheer nylon blouse on a pretty girl. Worth the price right there and you get to check your rifle for free!

Bonus!
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Those are some Pro Tips right there!!!! :D

:cheers:
 
Looking at the photo we have, I would call this a post-War-Two sporter conversion of the 1910 (Mark III) Ross Rifle in calibre .303 (the .280 had a flush magazine, 2 columns, internal). The conversion was done by the British gunmaking Trade, using Rosses which still were in store with the Royal Navy and the Royal Marines Light Infantry.

The stock cuts, barrel lengths, finish, swivel studs, all are indications that this s when and how and by whom these rifles were rebuilt into budget-priced sporters for export.

Check rifles such as these VERY carefully for markings on the front of the Receiver Ring, on the side of the Receiver Ring and on the flat rear of the Bolt Handle Root immediately below the Safety. You are looking for:
CRB with a number up to 4 figures
PLY with a number up to 4 figures
PH with a number up to 4 figures
POSSIBLY PHAB in the wood, in a small circle, under the pistol grip.

SOMETIMES you will find a PLY rifle with a CBR bolt or vice versa.

These markings indicate:
PLY: Royal Marines Light Infantry, based at Plymouth
CRB: Royal Marine Light Infantry, based at Crombie.
PH: Navy, based at Priddy's Hard naval ammunitioning depot by Portsmouth
PHAB: another POSSIBLE Priddy's Hard marking.

These are KNOWN Naval and Marines markings, confirmed personally by the Curator of the RMLI Museum at Plymouth.

It is only in the last 2 years that these markings, unremarked for more than half a century, have been tracked down and confirmed. Our own BUFFDOG did a lot of the work and help came from just everywhere, starting with friend Gallen870 and with quite a number of folks "signing on" and providing research and assistance and markings from their own rifles.

BTW, we are still collecting NUMBERS rom these rifles and still would appreciate help from anyone who might have a marked rifle.

And yes, they are damfine shooters and that Ross trigger is an absolute wonder.
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collector67 said:
HA! Sounds identical to mine, I also paid only $100 for it because the stock needed refinishing. I think she turned out nice, and she's a damn good shooter too...
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very nice from what i see only difference is i have a beat up old white line recoil pad on the end of mine
 
pics up now
Another point the barrel has been cut down there is no way to bring it back to a military configuration would it be bad if I said id like to refinish it as a sporter? Change the recoil pad and maybe reblue it?
 
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Unpinned bolt

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This is a typical Sporteriztion of a Ross Mark III. The military rifles were declared obsolete, sent to Russia, Estonia, Latvia and other countries. Also, many were sold to the "Trade" who made sporting rifles out of them and shipped them out of England.

There are British commercial proof markings on it, and the "Not English Made" stamping is typical of rifles pre WWII.

Use CAUTION as the rifle has an unpinned bolt, which means it can be assembled wrong and cause injury to the shooter. If you are unfamiliar with the Ross Bolt, then I would strongly recommend that you do NOT take it apart for cleaning, etc.

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This rifle has an unpinned bolt, and can be assembled wrong, with disasterous results to the shooter. If assembled wrong, it will not fully lock up but engage only about 1/6 of the locking lug area. When fired with a wrongly assembled bolt, it can easily shear off the bolt lugs and come flying back to hit you between the eyes, with hospitalization as a result IF you are really lucky.
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There should be approximately one inch of space between the back of the locking lugs and the bolt carrier. With a properly assembled bolt, you can shine a small bright flashlight into the receiver and see the bolt head fully turn and lock.
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buffdog said:
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Use CAUTION as the rifle has an unpinned bolt, which means it can be assembled wrong and cause injury to the shooter. If you are unfamiliar with the Ross Bolt, then I would strongly recommend that you do NOT take it apart for cleaning, etc.

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makes me feel so much better lol i took it apart yesterday morning lol
the fact that there is that lenth near the bolt head after i put it back together mean that i may survive the first day i shoot it???
 
hacer2 said:
makes me feel so much better lol i took it apart yesterday morning lol
the fact that there is that lenth near the bolt head after i put it back together mean that i may survive the first day i shoot it???
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You probably will. If you don't, that means there will be another Ross on the EE for us to buy for parts. :)

SMELLIE and I refer to this as "the Rule of Thumb." When the bolt is assembled and in the rifle, if you can place your thumb across the exposed part, then it is assembled correctly. The pictures shows the difference quite clearly. We do like to keep the Ross shooters breathing, as there are not a multitude of them, but every time we let someone fire a Ross, (and they find out they are still alive after the experience,) they usually ask for more ammo and a few weeks later show up on the range with a Ross.

The Ross is one of the "Urban Legends" of the shooting world, with the horror stories passed along by people who really are not familiar with the System.
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buffdog said:
You probably will. If you don't, that means there will be another Ross on the EE for us to buy for parts. :)

SMELLIE and I refer to this as "the Rule of Thumb." When the bolt is assembled and in the rifle, if you can place your thumb across the exposed part, then it is assembled correctly. The pictures shows the difference quite clearly. We do like to keep the Ross shooters breathing, as there are not a multitude of them, but every time we let someone fire a Ross, (and they find out they are still alive after the experience,) they usually ask for more ammo and a few weeks later show up on the range with a Ross.

The Ross is one of the "Urban Legends" of the shooting world, with the horror stories passed along by people who really are not familiar with the System.
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Yea i had noticed the distance between the bolt head and body which is just a tad bit wider then my fat thumb. So i will with courage, a 6 pack of molson canadian and an ambulance go to my local sand pit try it out next weekend lol
 
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