M10X statement - Wanstalls

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M&M misled everyone....trying to manipulate every scenario to their advantage......they are the common denominator in all this.
I feel sorry for CanAm and Wanstalls. Both are outstanding vendors with a long standing great track record. Both got swindled.

For those talking expect refunds with interest from Wantstalls....are you that weak and petty?
Go ask M&M for the interest...they are the one's at fault for all the entire fiasco from beginning to end.
 
Divermike said:
How could Wanstalls not know that "Disco Something" is Canada Ammo? Those two businesses have been practically neighbours for somewhere near 15 or more years. And for "Disco Something" to wash there hands of it, is difficult to believe, especially knowing Can Am.
Neighborly conduct is to waltz up to the guys door with a beer, or at least call, to express ones interest in cutting the others grass. You know, just in case they may wish to cut it themselves.
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That's what I pointed out. Mickey Mouse said that Disco Something has filed review application and submitted the sample. How Wanstalls "did their side of the bargain" in making M10X "approved as non-restricted" is beyond me. Frankly sounds like BS.

Thinking in simple terms this is what is likely: W called RCMP to find out the status. After quick kick in the butt RCMP finally took a look at CanAm sample (they are already in trouble for reviewing too long, so something must be done) and issued FRT. Once they gave W FRT, W decided to quickly "jump the gun" and secure sales before CanAm or anybody else could. I bet no contract (takes time), just a quick understanding and agreement in principle for a possible volume and a price by MMouse to W. Started to take pre-orders. Now NS sees opportunity to make big $$$ and at the same time it will be huge loss in sales to NS as nobody would buy NS overpriced guns. So, like W, NS "jumps the gun" promises tons of $$$ to Mickey Mouse (who are more than happy to take it, remember, no contract with others). They change US MSRP, made up a model that is exclusive to Canada (no sale to US to avoid grey market), add $550 on price to make M10 expensive as all other NS products and here we go... Simple story of how I see it and something tells me I'm not too far from real events.



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guess_kto said:
That's what I pointed out. Mickey Mouse said that Disco Something has filed review application and submitted the sample. How Wanstalls "did their side of the bargain" in making M10X "approved as non-restricted" is beyond me. Frankly sounds like BS.

Thinking in simple terms this is what is likely: W called RCMP to find out the status. After quick kick in the butt RCMP finally took a look and CanAm sample (they are already in trouble for reviewing too long, so something must be done) issued FRT. Once they gave W FRT, W decided to quickly "jump the gun" and secure sales before CanAm or anybody else could. I bet no contract (takes time), just a quick understanding for a possible volume and price by MMouse to W. Started to take pre-orders. Now NS sees opportunity to make big $$$ and at the same time it will be huge loss in sales to NS as nobody would buy NS overpriced guns. So, like W, NS "jumps the gun" promises tons of $$$ to Mickey Mouse (who are more than happy to take it, remember, no contract with others). They change US MSRP, made up a model that is exclusive to Canada (no sale to US to avoid grey market), add $550 on price to make M10 expensive as all other NS products and here we go... Simple story of how I see it and something tells me I'm not too far from real events.



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Nailed it IMO
 
Anyone that buys one of these rifles should be ashamed of themselves after all this crap, supporting a company like M+M would show that person is no better than M+M, it shows a total lack of integrity and ethics.
I've always avoided supporting NS, The comments earlier about taking your money then abandoning all support when warranty is required is quite accurate and I for one won't buy anything they import if I know they've had their hands in it. I wish there was an easy to find list of all the things they deal with so I don't accidentally buy something that came through them.

We would all like a quality NR x39 but this obviously isn't the one. After the reviews and the poor US sales I'd say this was only a mediocre firearm to begin with anyway. With the type of business M+M seems to conduct I wouldn't want a rifle from them anyway, imagine trying to get warranty work.

Re-tooling? to cut a barrel blank 2.6 inches longer? Ya, it's a whole new gun, better jack the price 50%. What a joke f:P: :onCrack:
 
Most of you are taking out of your asses.

M+M is the devil here, no question about that. They went to every importer they knew and asked who wants to sell the M10X for MSRP of $2,000. NS said they would. Everyone else walked off, probably the best decision they ever made.
 
cr5 said:
Anyone that buys one of these rifles should be ashamed of themselves after all this crap, supporting a company like M+M would show that person is no better than M+M, it shows a total lack of integrity and ethics.
I've always avoided supporting NS, The comments earlier about taking your money then abandoning all support when warranty is required is quite accurate and I for one won't buy anything they import if I know they've had their hands in it. I wish there was an easy to find list of all the things they deal with so I don't accidentally buy something that came through them.

We would all like a quality NR x39 but this obviously isn't the one. After the reviews and the poor US sales I'd say this was only a mediocre firearm to begin with anyway. With the type of business M+M seems to conduct I wouldn't want a rifle from them anyway, imagine trying to get warranty work.

Re-tooling? to cut a barrel blank 2.6 inches longer? Ya, it's a whole new gun, better jack the price 50%. What a joke f:P: :onCrack:
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How many of the dealers will just stop purchasing from north sylva in solidarity with the Canadian consumer? NONE that's for sure. Not even the affected parties in this whole #### show. In the end all they care is $$$.
 
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guess_kto said:
That's what I pointed out. Mickey Mouse said that Disco Something has filed review application and submitted the sample. How Wanstalls "did their side of the bargain" in making M10X "approved as non-restricted" is beyond me. Frankly sounds like BS.

Thinking in simple terms this is what is likely: W called RCMP to find out the status. After quick kick in the butt RCMP finally took a look at CanAm sample (they are already in trouble for reviewing too long, so something must be done) and issued FRT. Once they gave W FRT, W decided to quickly "jump the gun" and secure sales before CanAm or anybody else could. I bet no contract (takes time), just a quick understanding and agreement in principle for a possible volume and a price by MMouse to W. Started to take pre-orders. Now NS sees opportunity to make big $$$ and at the same time it will be huge loss in sales to NS as nobody would buy NS overpriced guns. So, like W, NS "jumps the gun" promises tons of $$$ to Mickey Mouse (who are more than happy to take it, remember, no contract with others). They change US MSRP, made up a model that is exclusive to Canada (no sale to US to avoid grey market), add $550 on price to make M10 expensive as all other NS products and here we go... Simple story of how I see it and something tells me I'm not too far from real events.



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Exactly what likely happened. M+M is the bad actor, but W started the fiasco by trying to jump the gun when they wern't entitled.
 
ashwood said:
Exactly what likely happened. M+M is the bad actor, but W started the fiasco by trying to jump the gun when they wern't entitled.
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The only good out of this is they showed us how overpriced this rifle really is. I assume at 1500$ they were still projecting to make a profit.
 
cr5 said:
Anyone that buys one of these rifles should be ashamed of themselves after all this crap, supporting a company like M+M would show that person is no better than M+M,
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Seriously, you're are full of buls$hit wake up ! I don't care about Ruger , Bushmaster, or Savage, just want the gun I bought.

One days, a guys sold me a rifle on EE , took my money, after few days he back off, and gave my money back.

Does I give him a positive feedback ?

I will not blame Ruger , Bushmaster, or Savage because a guy sold me a rifle, he never owned .







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guess_kto said:
That's what I pointed out. Mickey Mouse said that Disco Something has filed review application and submitted the sample. How Wanstalls "did their side of the bargain" in making M10X "approved as non-restricted" is beyond me. Frankly sounds like BS.

Thinking in simple terms this is what is likely: W called RCMP to find out the status. After quick kick in the butt RCMP finally took a look at CanAm sample (they are already in trouble for reviewing too long, so something must be done) and issued FRT. Once they gave W FRT, W decided to quickly "jump the gun" and secure sales before CanAm or anybody else could. I bet no contract (takes time), just a quick understanding and agreement in principle for a possible volume and a price by MMouse to W. Started to take pre-orders. Now NS sees opportunity to make big $$$ and at the same time it will be huge loss in sales to NS as nobody would buy NS overpriced guns. So, like W, NS "jumps the gun" promises tons of $$$ to Mickey Mouse (who are more than happy to take it, remember, no contract with others). They change US MSRP, made up a model that is exclusive to Canada (no sale to US to avoid grey market), add $550 on price to make M10 expensive as all other NS products and here we go... Simple story of how I see it and something tells me I'm not too far from real events.



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Well, we will all just have to wait 180 days until the rest of the Kennedy Files are released to find out if your super well supported hypothesis is correct.
 
I shall buy one and be the only one with an M10x. Enjoy your silly things like "paying rent on time" and "having food to eat". Who needs that when you can waste money on artificially inflated prices?


*dear internet, that is sarcasm, keep it in your pants*
 
I just want to hear from Wanstall's.

Whats taking so long?

Maybe they already spent the thousands of dollars we loaned them in pre-orders.
 
Based on the first post in this thread, the preorder looks like its not happening... so can we get our money back?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, #### Mickey Mouse & #### NS.
 
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