M14 USGI wood stock fit problem

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Hi folks, I got a couple questions regarding the fit of my wood stock. After filing some of the wood down on the high spots on the right side of the stock I got the receiver to fit almost flat. Without having the trigger locked in you can still see there's just a bit of light coming through the cracks.
The trigger locks in nice and tight and I don't find that I need to use any excessive force to get it to shut. You can barely see any light through the cracks when its locked. I tried to compare it to the pressure on the Norinco stock but its such a piece of crap and the fit is so horrible that I can't even get the damn thing to lock without excessive force or bringing out the mallet.

I noticed some wear on the lugs where the trigger locks into the receiver. Is this normal? Its hard for me to say weather its from locking up to the Norinco stock or the USGI wood stock.

Normal wear on the lugs? Any suggestions? Do I need to do more filing?

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I think you need to remove a bit more on the right side of the stock.The bottom of the receiver on the right side is shaped at an angle ...make a groove in the stock under where the op rod goes.

Make sure you do the trigger after assembly test to make sure you dont get slam fires
 
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is it normal for the trigger to create those marks (crimping) on the receiver lugs? or is that a sign of being too tight possibly? I just don't want to keep locking up the trigger if that isn't normal.
 
Well I got the gun fully assembled and locked the trigger into place, hammer is cocked, I tried to pull the bolt back but it gets caught on the hammer (or something) and won't go all the way back. Faaaaack.
 
The stock Chinese windage knobs are junk , try and get a set of Garand rear sights if you plan on using iron sights.
It is supposed to be harder to #### the first time as you will be locking the hammer back .
Are you familiar with the trigger after assembly test ? This is a something you MUST do after any changes to the stock .
Was it really stiff getting the trigger guard closed ?
 
getting the trigger guard closed doesn't seem to be a problem. it seems like it closes with just a moderate amount of force and locks up nice and snug.

when I close the trigger guard and lock it down, the hammer is already cocked. after that when I pull on the op rod handle to pull the bolt back, it gets caught up and REALLY grinds on something, and gets stuck in the full back position (op rod spring fully compressed), and just stays there caught on whatever is holding it back.

it passed the tilt test. its not being caused by the bolt stop. I haven't tried any of the trigger tests yet because the bolt won't slide freely back and forth when the hammer is cocked.
 
Something is rubbing

Try putting a layer of masking tape down on the inside of the stock
(quick and reversable)
3/4 one strip them assemble rifle install trigger group work the op rod

then take it apart and let know what you see

if it does not work try something else
 
It's very possible you have to bed the trigger pads.
True Usgi wood and fiberglass stocks should be a simple drop in for chinese actions, except for the popsicle stick mod. You should not have to be modifying the top surface except to bed it to the action.

From the sounds of it, your receiver and trigger group are either too far apart or the rear trigger pad area is too deep causing the housing to lock up too tight at the back.

When you put your action into a usgi stock, there should be a visible gap under the receiver heel 1/13 to 3/32 is normal and "desired". Then, when you install and lock the trigger group, this gap is closed.
This is by design and creates desired stock tension at the gas band lip.
 
It is NOT NORMAL for the trigger guard to wear the receiver like that, I believe that you have much bigger issues than stock fit.

I have seen (and own) lots of M1 Garands and commercial M14 types, but I have never seen a M1/M1A/M14 receiver with wear on it like that. In my experience, Chicom M14's drop right in USGI stocks with little to no fitting and fit much better than most commercial M14 type receivers.

If I were you, I would start thinking that I got a receiver that did not get properly heat treated, or is made from out-of-spec steel.

Perhaps it is time for a more knowledable individual step in and comment about the trigger guard wear on that receiver.
 
I wish I could see the pics better but I'm on my blackberry so will have to wait till I get home and crank up the satellite ;)
 
Cool thanks Doc I appreciate the info.

I filed down the stock on the right side where the op rod moves back and forth and it seems to be cocking and cycling fine now.

I'm not having very good luck with M14s
 
That wear on the lugs definitely came from the poor fitting norinco stock. The trigger won't close on it without using a mallet and someone probably just forced it on one time.
 
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That wear on the lugs definitely came from the poor fitting norinco stock. The trigger won't close on it without using a mallet and someone probably just forced it on one time.
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Did someone say rubber mallet? :D

That's the tension I use on all my match rifle builds. No joking! I was just speaking to that tension at the 21 April 2012 Petawawa M14 Clinic. My thoughts are : Match rifles are not gonna be battle rifles (used) or for the zombie apocalypse (well, maybe :cool: ) so I want them tight and ringing / vibration pattern like a tuning fork.

All that visual airspace between your receiver heel and the USGI wood stock? Nothing that a light glass bedding won't fix with it's custom skin tight fit. No worries here!

The Norc plastic stocks are still some of the best that high school coop class can do in zhinzhin, Longdong Province by what's his name there... WunHungLOW. :D He's the shop teacher! Sure beats the CHU wood stocks that I abhor and many of your M14 lovers truly enjoy! :eek:

Cheers,
Barney
 
I was a hater of those chinese plastic stocks when they first arrived... Especially those pukey tiger camo ones LOL
BUT after a little fitting adjustments, they are a very hard stock to beat.

Now that I've seen the receiver pic in the OP's post on a bigger screen, I see the gouges.
That trigger guard is hard as hell for a reason and that is why it is able to create the wear marks seen on the receiver. Not ideal to see, but I've seen it on many usgi receivers as well as chinese. No reason to panic. Debur with a xxfine file or stone if needed.
Loads of bedding methods on the net or in the books by scott duff, jerry kuhnhaussen and there is a video by master art luppino.
We'll cover bedding at the july clinic ;)
 
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