Steve,
Thanks for your thoughts.
I am all about keeping our stuff in Canada.
The U.S. Civil War involved approx. 33,000-55,000 Canadians on both sides,
if one can believe the stats.
Where I live I only know one other CW collector.
If I felt there was a healthy market in Canada for this stuff, I would like them to remain here.
I follow many CW dealer web sites in the U.S and I have a reasonable feel for values there.
How these CW guns ended up here I will never know.
I have quite a few of them.
(Although the 51 Navy shown below came from a high end dealer in the U.S. in December 1990...it was expensive then.)
I don't see the market for these pieces here.
David
Model 1851 Colt Navy, "martially marked", they are hard to find in the U.S.
No remaining finish on this gun ...but very clear (all matching) markings and cylinder scene.
How do I deal with this gun in Canada?
In this condition a U.S. marked 51 Martial Navy "could be" worth approx. $5,000+ and with "decent original finished guns" up to $15,000...a bit scary.
I don't think Canadian collectors are ready for that.
We have the Upper Canada and Lower Canada London Colt manufactured 51 Navies with the cylinder scenes removed, but the market in the U.S. is different for well marked original Colt 51 Navy Civil War guns.
U.S. property markings on the frame, with M. Moulton's final inspector's stamp (MM) on the left grip.
Packaged .36 caliber cartridges...very costly in the U.S.
A U.S. Model 1842 smooth bore musket .69 cal.--Harpers Ferry manufactured in 1843....real early.
This gun was purchased in Canada....is the market in Canada ripe for a gun like this?
These muskets were used by both sides early in the war.
Bayonet for the Model 1842 musket.
Between 1843 and 1855 a total of 275,000 of this model were manufactured by Springfield and Harpers Ferry Armories, of which 172,000 were turned out at Springfield alone. The bayonet utilized for this model musket was the Model 1842 socket bayonet, which was 20-1/2 inches long, with a 2-7/8 inch socket and an 18-inch triangular blade. The U.S. Model 1842 Musket was the first arm to be produced at both the Harpers Ferry and Springfield Armories on a completely interchangeable basis, and aside even from this significant fact, holds a prominent position in the development of U.S. military shoulder arms. This was the first regulation percussion arm produced in the national armories, and at the same time, the last of the .69 caliber smoothbores.
The following commentary is from Joe Bilby (columnist from The Civil War Times publication following my questions to him on March 13 2006.)
Joe is the author of many gun books and regimental history works from this period
and was very helpful to me when I was debating purchasing this gun.
"Widely used in the first two years of the war by both sides, and used by certain regiments, like those of the Irish Brigade and the 12th NJ, who preferred it, into late 1864. The 12th's Gettysburg monument is as much to the '42 as to the regiment. It is topped with a large sphere and three smaller ones, with the line "buck and ball."
(Buck and ball was a common load for muzzle-loading muskets, and was very commonly used into the early days of the American Civil War. The load consisted of a .69 caliber round lead ball combined with three buckshot pellets.)
Buck and ball paper cartridge for the .69 cal. Model 1842 musket.
This belongs to a great dealer in the U.S.-- I tried to buy it but there were issues getting it across the border.
Thanks for your thoughts.
I am all about keeping our stuff in Canada.
The U.S. Civil War involved approx. 33,000-55,000 Canadians on both sides,
if one can believe the stats.
Where I live I only know one other CW collector.
If I felt there was a healthy market in Canada for this stuff, I would like them to remain here.
I follow many CW dealer web sites in the U.S and I have a reasonable feel for values there.
How these CW guns ended up here I will never know.
I have quite a few of them.
(Although the 51 Navy shown below came from a high end dealer in the U.S. in December 1990...it was expensive then.)
I don't see the market for these pieces here.
David
Model 1851 Colt Navy, "martially marked", they are hard to find in the U.S.
No remaining finish on this gun ...but very clear (all matching) markings and cylinder scene.
How do I deal with this gun in Canada?
In this condition a U.S. marked 51 Martial Navy "could be" worth approx. $5,000+ and with "decent original finished guns" up to $15,000...a bit scary.
I don't think Canadian collectors are ready for that.
We have the Upper Canada and Lower Canada London Colt manufactured 51 Navies with the cylinder scenes removed, but the market in the U.S. is different for well marked original Colt 51 Navy Civil War guns.
U.S. property markings on the frame, with M. Moulton's final inspector's stamp (MM) on the left grip.
Packaged .36 caliber cartridges...very costly in the U.S.
A U.S. Model 1842 smooth bore musket .69 cal.--Harpers Ferry manufactured in 1843....real early.
This gun was purchased in Canada....is the market in Canada ripe for a gun like this?
These muskets were used by both sides early in the war.
Bayonet for the Model 1842 musket.
Between 1843 and 1855 a total of 275,000 of this model were manufactured by Springfield and Harpers Ferry Armories, of which 172,000 were turned out at Springfield alone. The bayonet utilized for this model musket was the Model 1842 socket bayonet, which was 20-1/2 inches long, with a 2-7/8 inch socket and an 18-inch triangular blade. The U.S. Model 1842 Musket was the first arm to be produced at both the Harpers Ferry and Springfield Armories on a completely interchangeable basis, and aside even from this significant fact, holds a prominent position in the development of U.S. military shoulder arms. This was the first regulation percussion arm produced in the national armories, and at the same time, the last of the .69 caliber smoothbores.
The following commentary is from Joe Bilby (columnist from The Civil War Times publication following my questions to him on March 13 2006.)
Joe is the author of many gun books and regimental history works from this period
and was very helpful to me when I was debating purchasing this gun.
"Widely used in the first two years of the war by both sides, and used by certain regiments, like those of the Irish Brigade and the 12th NJ, who preferred it, into late 1864. The 12th's Gettysburg monument is as much to the '42 as to the regiment. It is topped with a large sphere and three smaller ones, with the line "buck and ball."
(Buck and ball was a common load for muzzle-loading muskets, and was very commonly used into the early days of the American Civil War. The load consisted of a .69 caliber round lead ball combined with three buckshot pellets.)
Buck and ball paper cartridge for the .69 cal. Model 1842 musket.
This belongs to a great dealer in the U.S.-- I tried to buy it but there were issues getting it across the border.
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