M1A Springs

Bush Hunter

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Just wondering what springs you use in your bolt and op rod from Brownells. Also are you happy with them? I have a ARMS 18 scope mount on my polytech, did the spring mod and still get jams because of the scope mount. Any info is appreciated,
Thanks James
 
I've used the Wolfe M1A complete spring packs on many rifles now and they are excellent. Tubb springs is another one a few cgn'ers seem to like but i have little experience with them and have not run them in my rifles. The standard M1A springs from brownells are springfield and they seem to be of fairly good quality as well. While I generally recommend swapping the springs out in general to thier U.S. made equivalents, in this case, it may or may not solve the problem.

if the extractor spring (chinese variety) mod does not correct ejection angle enough to stop Arms 18/oprod jamming..... you can rule out other possible causes. with your oprod fully forward in the closed bolt position, does it have much up and down play when you wiggle the oprod handle? (fix.... new or tighter fitting used oprod)
Is your oprod guide slightly or excessively loose on the barrel?
These two things can also contribute to the ARMS 18/oprod jamming issue as they can allow the oprod to rise at it comes forward or allow it to have an eratic path as it comes forward, occasionally jamming a case between oprod and mount. If neither of these symptoms are present, perhaps a spring change and inspect extractor for wear, possibly order an M1A one while ordering springs (get a new extractor detent as well)

I'll add as an after thought...... try some different ammo..... it's kinda grasping straws but with this issue it's all about ejection angle and speed of ejection. Most of my rifles if not all shoot .308 commercial spec loads and ejection is violently out and away to the side...... although one of my rifles simply spits them into a nice pile on the bench, right beside the rifle hehehe.
you want to acheive an ejection angle that is under 90 degrees from the receiver..... if the rifle has a tendency to eject slightly forward, or past 90 degrees...... the arms 18 jamming issue is inevitable. this is why the extractor spring is trimmed, to change the ejection path.
 
"...jams because of the scope mount..." The rings are likely too low. Case hits the scope and bounces back into the receiver.
 
"...jams because of the scope mount..." The rings are likely too low. Case hits the scope and bounces back into the receiver.

????? no signs of impact on the scope but I can sure see where the brass hits the actual ARMS 18 mount. are you just making this up???
 
Thanks M14 Doctor,
I guess I will have to continue with a few more checks before I buy some springs. Do you have a fit tolerance for the oprod by chance?
James
 
no worries Bush Hunter
As for Sunrays comments, he's not blowing smoke at you hehehehe in fact I have seen where the m14/arms18 scenario can cause jams depending on actual ring placement on the mount. the case hits the bottom edge of the rings clamp and slows or impededs extraction enough to cause the case to drop into the path of the oprod.

As for oprod tolerance....... with the rifle assembled(easier in a stock), trigger out, oprod all the way forward, grasp the oprod handle and wiggle it up and down. if there is a lot of wiggle room I look for a tighter fitting oprod.

there are three bearing surfaces on the oprod that cause oprod up and down wiggle..... one is just above the oprod/receiver track tab itself and this surface bears against the receiver along the top edge of the receivers oprod slot.
the second is the outside surface of the tab itself that drops into the recess of the oprod track. If these two bearing areas are under spec, they allow the oprod to have wiggle.
the third is the top of the oprod tab, where it would mate to the upper inside edge of the track itself, not enough meat on that surface and the oprod itself can "rise" in the track as it slams forward.

it's very difficult to explain without good pics...... and i'm on dial up so......
not everyone should panic just because thier oprod has a bit of wiggle room, but in this scenario it can be checked and a problem can be ruled out if the oprod has minimal wiggle and the rifle/mount still jam up.
 
Thanks again. I will try that out. As for Sunray, I take back my comment. I didnt think it was physicaly possible but I am wrong.
James
 
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