m305 accuracy
- Thread starter itir_du12
- Start date
skinnadoor
Regular
- Location
- BC, Canada
1/2 inch to 1 inch groupings, of 5 shots, in the prone if zero'd properly....
skinnadoor
skinnadoor
death-junky
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Moose Jaw SK
with open sights i was hitting a peace of printer paper at 200 yards open sights. 
i love the M-305 i can hit a 1 L bottle at 100 yards prone every time with my scope.
talk to ya all later
Riley
i love the M-305 i can hit a 1 L bottle at 100 yards prone every time with my scope.
talk to ya all later
Riley
Unregistered
Regular
- Location
- South Ontario
If you want an honest readout from a newbie shooter, check my groups I shot yesterday.
50 yards
100 yards
This was done with the Marstar tac-pac: the Chinese bipod, Leapers mount, rings, and scope, and Bell factory ammo.
Now, some people I know have shot much better groups with the stock Norinco, including a .75 inch group. However, on your first day zeroing the scope at the range, if you are an amateur like me, this is what you are likely to see.
I will let you know if I can do better once I've had more practise.
50 yards
100 yards
This was done with the Marstar tac-pac: the Chinese bipod, Leapers mount, rings, and scope, and Bell factory ammo.
Now, some people I know have shot much better groups with the stock Norinco, including a .75 inch group. However, on your first day zeroing the scope at the range, if you are an amateur like me, this is what you are likely to see.
I will let you know if I can do better once I've had more practise.
Mine probably shoots better than I can make it go.
One odd thing I found with my M305 is that it shoots way to the right and I have to crank the sights almost all the way to the side to get it on target. What's up with that? It shoots great group-wise, but having the sights over like that kind of bugs me and it makes mounting a scope on there almost impossible because I can't get the scope on paper with it shooting that far to the side.
One odd thing I found with my M305 is that it shoots way to the right and I have to crank the sights almost all the way to the side to get it on target. What's up with that? It shoots great group-wise, but having the sights over like that kind of bugs me and it makes mounting a scope on there almost impossible because I can't get the scope on paper with it shooting that far to the side.
Mine is totally stock. Its shoots consistantly under 2" with 30 year old lake city match ammo. Thats for 5 rds. at 100 yds. Thats as good as I feel I can do with open sights on anything. Needless to say I am very happy with this gun.
if you handload you can get it a lot tighter than that- 1.5 inches or better at 100- use the match loads listed on the net and vary up and down from there- mine likes 43-44 grains of ww748, cci mag primer, but 180 grain bullet- which is too warm for it- i haven't tried 165's yet( i got a heck of a lot of 180's) and the match calls for 175 grain matchkings- again, too heavy for the m14 types- however it does list 168's as well, and each rifle is different
1.5 moa at 100 yards and a five shot group is what I usually get. Too bad i don't have a digital camera I was to the range yesterday and could have taken some pics.
I am using handloads but the are not tailored to the rifle. The load is 40 gr of IMR 4895, federal soft point 180 gr. (the cheap ones!), Norma match brass and federal primers. If it doesn't stay within 1.5 moa off the bench I'm not doing my part.
I am using handloads but the are not tailored to the rifle. The load is 40 gr of IMR 4895, federal soft point 180 gr. (the cheap ones!), Norma match brass and federal primers. If it doesn't stay within 1.5 moa off the bench I'm not doing my part.
might want to re-think the 180's , osborne- if you want the rifle to last drop down to 165-168's - this has been discussed several times on this board- basically they're too heavy for the 305 and will wear it out or break it sooner
eight for M14 bullets
I want to ask where the information is coming from that says you shouldn't use heavy weight bullets in M14's. I can see 190 grain bullets but the M14/M1A was shot for decades using 173 grain match bullets. Chamber and port pressures must be watched but if they are in spec I can't see why the bullet weight makes any difference. Just curious. Thanks, Steve
I want to ask where the information is coming from that says you shouldn't use heavy weight bullets in M14's. I can see 190 grain bullets but the M14/M1A was shot for decades using 173 grain match bullets. Chamber and port pressures must be watched but if they are in spec I can't see why the bullet weight makes any difference. Just curious. Thanks, Steve
SteveB:
In 1996-7 the USMC Teams at Camp Perry work tweaking out their loads for the NM Course of fire (I used to shoot these matches 20 years ago). They were using the 175 gr Sierra MK with fabulous results.
UNTIL (drum roll please....) they experienced op rod battering and subsequent damage. Great experiment and results indicated that the M14/ M1A's like 168's as an upper limit for bullet weight. The US National Match course of fire only shoots up to 600 yards. Many Marine teams were competing up to 1000 yards, The Wimbledon Match or something like it.... with the 175 MK's until the op rods began to separate. Now the USMC happens to have a larger budget for op rod replacement than Skullboy and I combined. So I ain't in a hurry to shoot my Norinco M14 Douglas NM bbl'ed at 1000 yards with iron sights. I'll use my Remmy VS or StealthII with 175 gr. MK's for that distance.
In 1997, the US ARMY AMTU teams trounced the USMC Teams with their M16A2 (Mouse Guns) shooting the 80 gr. VLD bullets from Compass Lake, HART, Krieger , Obermeyer, or Douglas barrels.
All of this information can be found in John Feamster's book (I've got it downstairs....) "Black Magic" .... Here's the link:
http://www.compasslake.com/Black Magic.htm
This book is an excellent read and almost the definitive book for long range shooting with yer black rifle (not to be mistaken for the short barreled family of door-kicking entry M4's et al).
In this book, John Feamster uses an M1A and M14 to obtain his "Distinguished" badge if I recall correctly, but he goes on to support the Mouse gun throughout it's ascendance at Camp Perry's National Matches and the resulting retirement of the beloved M14 (until OIF.... yuk, yuk, yuk)
Cheers (and I hope this helps)
Barney
In 1996-7 the USMC Teams at Camp Perry work tweaking out their loads for the NM Course of fire (I used to shoot these matches 20 years ago). They were using the 175 gr Sierra MK with fabulous results.
UNTIL (drum roll please....) they experienced op rod battering and subsequent damage. Great experiment and results indicated that the M14/ M1A's like 168's as an upper limit for bullet weight. The US National Match course of fire only shoots up to 600 yards. Many Marine teams were competing up to 1000 yards, The Wimbledon Match or something like it.... with the 175 MK's until the op rods began to separate. Now the USMC happens to have a larger budget for op rod replacement than Skullboy and I combined. So I ain't in a hurry to shoot my Norinco M14 Douglas NM bbl'ed at 1000 yards with iron sights. I'll use my Remmy VS or StealthII with 175 gr. MK's for that distance.
In 1997, the US ARMY AMTU teams trounced the USMC Teams with their M16A2 (Mouse Guns) shooting the 80 gr. VLD bullets from Compass Lake, HART, Krieger , Obermeyer, or Douglas barrels.
All of this information can be found in John Feamster's book (I've got it downstairs....) "Black Magic" .... Here's the link:
http://www.compasslake.com/Black Magic.htm
This book is an excellent read and almost the definitive book for long range shooting with yer black rifle (not to be mistaken for the short barreled family of door-kicking entry M4's et al).
In this book, John Feamster uses an M1A and M14 to obtain his "Distinguished" badge if I recall correctly, but he goes on to support the Mouse gun throughout it's ascendance at Camp Perry's National Matches and the resulting retirement of the beloved M14 (until OIF.... yuk, yuk, yuk)
Cheers (and I hope this helps)
Barney
Last edited:
that's got me kind of curious- as we all know, the op rods are 2 pieces welded together- with one exception- the "chosen " few of us that own a TRW- which is a 1 piece- so, is it the weld joint itself that fails or the op rod?- would the trw crackand possibly fail sooner given the same circumstances?not that i', going to try it- my trw was still in the grease and baggie when i got it
