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I was trying to read up on M305's an M14's and came across this on the Fulton Armory web site. It claims that the Chinese bolts are bunk, mainly due to the improper cutting of the bolts locking lugs. Is this only valid for the Polytech recievers or is there a concern with Norincos as well?

http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14S_Eval.htm
 
This evaluation have been made on old poly M14 and is not up to date with the current product on the canadian market, since no Norc have came to USA since the ban in 2001(not sure).

New bolts are properly hardened,all other part are pretty much USGI quality and properly fitted.

Also seem like receiver are superior to the us made stuff,exept the finish of the metal.

Without a doubt a great deal :eek:
 
I don't.

MOst M305's are too long in the headspace by Sammi standards.....I personally have never had one that was too long for surplus

I think a lot of guys use the Win 150 stuff.

I'm not recommending it (for legal reasons)

Find some surplus around.

Where are you located?

GG&FB
 
The headspace of your particular M-305 will determine the answer to that question.
Most of the NEW Norinco clones I've checked recently had about .012 - .014" headspace over .308 Win GO. .308 Win NO GO is .005" over GO, so you can see the THEORETICAL safety margins are being exceeded by quite a bit. That being said, I've seen worse headspace in M-14 type rifles still shooting without a case blowup.

Fortunately, these new Norc's seem to take a drop in GI bolt ... which was definitely NOT the case for the older ones [ the barrel hood was a bit longer so you needed a GI barrel swap as well ].

The BIG issue is that the bolts may not be fitted correctly at the LEFT locking lug. If they show signs of being hand ground by a dremel like implement. chances are you are shooting with only ONE locking lug engaging properly. This is more important than a few thou headspace, but even here, most of these bolts don't cause safety problems UNLESS they are also very soft. Then the left lug peens back, and the bolt face gets cocked, and excess headspace can get real scary [ like .025" ] in a hurry.

This is why a USGI bolt swap is such a great idea for these rifles. USGI bolts go for about $ 300 these days [ check with GGFB ] and a $300 upgrade to a $399 rifle may not make much sense ... until you consider that a new bolt, and a few other bits, will end up in a rifle that is totally reliable and as good a shooter as a Sringfield M1A that costs close to $ 2000.

PS: Not all the Norcs have this problem .. I estimate only about 1 in 3. I picked up my last M-14Z at a gunshow, it was ancient, but almost unfired. Checking the bolt fit showed almost perfect lug mating to receiver, and headspace was .308 GO plus .002", which is PERFECT!!
OK?
 
I am in Calgary....lots of Chinees and Portugees 7.62 surplus ammo...
but my norinko is stamped .308.....that is why I asked this question....
I have shot about 200 Portugees, 20 Am Eagle and 50 Chainees FMJ 7.62Nato
throught my M305....no problems with cases were found....
just a short consern :)
thanks for answer
 
I tried....but we measured the bore and found out that my M305 has diamert of the bore .3095incha......Norinko shoots better......I don`t know why....
 
Did you slug the bore or used a mic, caliper or something else.
Just asking because the only way to know the bore size for sure it's to slug it.
 
I just used a dig. caliper....because the differece is too big....
if I had 0.005inch over, I would slug it....but, I had very good pictore, so, I did not slug it
 
i have only used winchester power points, fail safes, and silver tips in my M-305 and i havent had a problem....... AND IT IS ALL 180 gr
talk to ya all later
Riley
 
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