M96 Swede shooting high

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I've got a fantastic shaped CG Swede M96 rifle. However with the rear sight bottomed, I find I am still shooting 7" high at 100yds.

Does anyone know if there are such things as factory higher front sight blades? If so, where/who?

If not, anybody got an answer, other than aim 7" lower at 100..... I would prefer not to take down the rear sight blade...

I think if I was to shoot a hotter round, it may lower the point of impact, but the load I've got is fairly accurate and I'm only concerned with paper punching.
 
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If you can't find anything here, I would try ebay. I've bought some top shelf M96 gear from sellers in Sweden at reasonable shipping prices. If you don't see any front sight blades up for sale at the moment, send an email to some of the regular sellers of Swedish Mauser stuff to see if they have a few in their shooting bag that they're willing to let go. It's worth a try if the EE here leaves you dry.
 
Back up maybe? If its accurate that shoulder be a problem

I have seen on other forum people having this problem, I think it's because they zeroed them with the round nose ammo, spitzers only came out in 1941

There are some taller front sight posts out there they might be hard to find in canada
Maybe these guys ship to Canada
www samcoglobal.com/acc-swed-mauser.html
 
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If you are shooting for groups, do not worry about it. If shooting for score, then put a secondary aiming point 7 inches below the bullseye and aim at that.

The Swedish m/96 and m/38 Mauser rifles were sighted in for a distance of 300 meters. Remember, these rifles were for shooting a vertical target----people. A center hold out to 300 meters would hit your enemy soldier.

You can put on a taller front sight. They are available on e-bay regularly. This is all right if you are only going to shoot at one close distance, ie. 100 yards or 100 meters, but anything past that is going to be off.

While it might seem logical to use a faster bullet or even a heavy bullet to strike lower, this is not necessarily so. What you have discounted is barrel time. A barrel vibrates when fired, up, down. left, right and points in between. If the rifle is compensated for one type of ammunition, then using another ammunition of a different velocity or bullet weight will probably cause the bullet to exit the muzzle at a different point of the vibration cycle. A good example of this is using 214 grain bullets in the .303 SMLE, where the slower heavier bullets spend more time in the barrel, and generally exit at a point where the barrel is vibrating downwards. People are surprised that the heavy bullets actually shoot lower at 100 yards than the 174 grain faster Mark VII Ball.

You might also try someone like Trade-Ex and see if they have any regular sights. These can be built up with a small piece welded or soldered on the sight, then filed to get a correct impact point.
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The 38's have a "T" stamped on the front sight if regulated for the 139-140gr load.The 96's were zeroed at 300 meters..........Harold
 
My M38 (not the M 96) hits about 2.5-3" above sight line at 100 m with the sight set for 100 m. I always just assumed that they were shooting at a target with a 6" bull. I shoot at a 6" square of flourescent green poster board and print a pretty good group at center of target.
 
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The front sight blade has the Swedish crown on the right base area, and a 0 on the left side of the blade. That's what got me thinking there are probably different heights.

I want to be able to sight it for point of aim/point of impact at 100. It has a dial on the sight to allow for come ups for further distances, so once it's sighted for 100, I can do the rest. I just can't get the rear sight low enough, with the ammo I'm using, so I have to obtain a higher front sight, I guess.

Caleb, thanks for the link to Global, that page has a +3.50 sight listed. I'm not exactly sure what the +3.50 means, maybe 3.5mm higher????? Either way, it mentions better sighting at 100 and that's what I'm looking for.

Cheers guys.

Appears I initially was referring to in this thread my M38, it's not, it's my M96. Either way, I'm calling Global tomorrow.
 
I do believe that the minimum sighting range of these rifles was 200 or 300 metres.

That said, the bullet is still going UP at 100 yards. With a 200-metre zero, it goes UP until bout 120 yards, then starts to fall, comes to the line of sight at 218 yards (200 metres).

BEST thing to do is just allow for the difference in height.

An alternative is handloading, of course. Generally, a heavier bullet will shoot lower, but that actually depends on what the barrel is dong at the time of exit. It might be whipping UP, which will throw your bullet HIGH, or it might be whipping DOWN, which will make it shoot LOW. You can play a lot of games with barrel whip if you have 2 or 3 different weights of bullet and several different powders. As well, flatbase bullets have more base drag than boat-tails; this really becomes a factor once the bullet drops below about 1100 ft/sec, which it should do out around 700 yards.

Have you tried a plinking load with a cast bullet? Extremely cheap to make up: dime a shot, including the gas-check. Use the C.E. Harris Universal Load of a heavy CAST bullet with 12 to 13 grains of Red Dot shotgun powder.

An afternoon on the range (next Summer!!!) would go a long way towards giving you a permanent solution to your problem.... without having to hack anything.

Good luck!
 
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I do believe that the minimum sighting range of these rifles was 200 or 300 metres.
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Not sure about the M 96 but not so with the M 38. The sight is marked 2,3,4,5,6 but there is another mark before the 2 with no number on it. This mark is spaced a similar distance from the 2 as the 2 is to the 3 and it is further down the taper that the slide sits on. Its clearly a 100 m setting.
 
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koldt said:
Thanks, I'll try to find these guys. Your link doesn't work, but it's the interweb, what could go wrong......
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If they take your order for Canada, please let us know. My M96 has been sitting useless because of this issue. Their website suggests both their +2 and +3.5 front sight for 100 m zero. Somebody mentioned their +2 for 100 M. Not sure which is correct.
 
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If they take your order for Canada, please let us know. My M96 has been sitting useless because of this issue. Their website suggests both their +2 and +3.5 front sight for 100 m zero. Somebody mentioned their +2 for 100 M. Not sure which is correct.
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I phoned, and they told me to order "on-line". So that is an experience for someone born in the '50s, but I gave it a try and ordered a +2 and a +3.5. I got a confirmation email saying my order is being processed.... I'll report back when they are in my hands. All totalled $46.95 including shipping for the 2 sights.

It must be a common problem/complaint/situation, as the site even describes the +3.5 as the answer to getting the M96 sighted in for 100m.
 
Home3 said:
If they take your order for Canada, please let us know. My M96 has been sitting useless because of this issue. Their website suggests both their +2 and +3.5 front sight for 100 m zero. Somebody mentioned their +2 for 100 M. Not sure which is correct.
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I got both sights in the mail today.

Now I have to install one of them. One is the +2 with the Swedish crown, the other is not marked, but definitely taller.

My question is: has anyone used anything other than a brass drift and hammer to remove and install?
 
koldt said:
I got both sights in the mail today.

Now I have to install one of them. One is the +2 with the Swedish crown, the other is not marked, but definitely taller.

My question is: has anyone used anything other than a brass drift and hammer to remove and install?
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Great. Please let us know when you have had a chance to try both.
 
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