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nikola499

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Ok, I have been reading but I am still confused. Can anyone tell me if these two magazines are legal or prohibited to use in an MK18 rifle.

https://www.canadatacbeowulf.com/products

1) the LAR15 pistol mag designed for the LAR15 pistol and obviously holds 10. Is it legal to use?

2) this one is the one that confuses me most. The .458 Socom mag will hold 18 rounds of .223...
 
Isn't the .458 socom exactly the same situation as the .50 beo mags? People were charged for owning the beo mags? Means if I am in possesion of a .458 socom and I put 18 rounds of .223 in it I can theorically get in trouble with the RCMP?
 
The LAR magazine is legal for now but the 458 magazine falls under the same category as 50 Beowulf mags and the RCMP have released a notice (not law yet) that state that any rifle magazine capable of holding more than 5 rounds of 223 is a prohibited device. The LAR mags slip through because they are pistol magazines and not rifle magazines.
 
nikola499 said:
Isn't the .458 socom exactly the same situation as the .50 beo mags? People were charged for owning the beo mags? Means if I am in possesion of a .458 socom and I put 18 rounds of .223 in it I can theorically get in trouble with the RCMP?
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the 458 socom mags cannot feed 223, they can ONLY feed 458 socom
why is this an issue?
 
mikethebike said:
the 458 socom mags cannot feed 223, they can ONLY feed 458 socom
why is this an issue?
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Isn't that what people tried to say about the Beowulf mags? Then they realized that they come with a 223 follower and will work with 223.
I suppose if you actually had a 458 follower in it and it would not hold 223 you would have a defense but then it kinda defeats the purpose since I think the OP is looking for more round of 223 legally.

My advice is to go with the LAR mags and practice your reloads
 
nikola499 said:
The magazine in the OP fits and feeds 18 rounds of .223. But it was designed as a 5 round .458 SOCOM and is marked as so.
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That doesn't matter any more since the bulletin simply states any magazine that holds more than 5 rounds of 223 regardless of what's written on the side. According to them the only exception is the LAR pistol mag. As stated before though this is not law yet but since they released a bulletin you can be sure they are trying to get it pushed through as soon as possible.

My take on the situation is that if you are on private land in the middle of nowhere fill your boots and have fun but if you are shooting close to town where people can hear you blasting off you are asking for trouble because some scared old lady will surely call the cops and probably say someone has a machine gun then the cops have to come investigate and then they find you with a magazine that they either don't know is technically legal or they don't know any better and think you have a prohibited device. Either way you're in for some court dates and fighting to get your gear and maybe your truck back from impound. I for one don't have the time or the resources to fight a legal battle with the RCMP/province/country legal system and don't think that it's worth the possible headache just to be able to waste ammo a little faster doing mag dumps in a sandpit or pissing off the old farts at the range that think you are breaking the law and endangering their rights to own their 30-06 deer rifle.
 
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cr5 said:
That doesn't matter any more since the bulletin simply states any magazine that holds more than 5 rounds of 223 regardless of what's written on the side. According to them the only exception is the LAR pistol mag. As stated before though this is not law yet but since they released a bulletin you can be sure they are trying to get it pushed through as soon as possible.

My take on the situation is that if you are on private land in the middle of nowhere fill your boots and have fun but if you are shooting close to town where people can hear you blasting off you are asking for trouble because some scared old lady will surely call the cops and probably say someone has a machine gun then the cops have to come investigate and then they find you with a magazine that they either don't know is technically legal or they don't know any better and think you have a prohibited device. Either way you're in for some court dates and fighting to get your gear and maybe your truck back from impound. I for one don't have the time or the resources to fight a legal battle with the RCMP/province/country legal system and don't think that it's worth the possible headache just to be able to waste ammo a little faster doing mag dumps in a sandpit or pissing off the old farts at the range that think you are breaking the law and endangering their rights to own their 30-06 deer rifle.
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Great explanation from cr5 .... You can always ask yourself is it worth it? Are you "financially" ready for the legal battle with the RCMP?

With the Libs supporting the anti-gun agenda, the RCMP has a ton of money to drag you thru the system.
 
cr5 said:
The LAR magazine is legal for now but the 458 magazine falls under the same category as 50 Beowulf mags.
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not really, nobody sells a proprietary magazine for the 458 socom, gun makers who build 458 socom rifles ship them with a 223 magazine, not an issue in the usa, but for Canada it is a big problem.

This all could be avoided if they did what Remington/Bushmaster did with the 30 AR and 450 Bushmaster in regards to a proprietary STANAG pattern magazine that can not hold or feed 223/5.56 rounds
 
cr5 said:
Isn't that what people tried to say about the Beowulf mags? Then they realized that they come with a 223 follower and will work with 223.
I suppose if you actually had a 458 follower in it and it would not hold 223 you would have a defense but then it kinda defeats the purpose since I think the OP is looking for more round of 223 legally.

My advice is to go with the LAR mags and practice your reloads
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458 follower?

would also need internal side plates in the magazine so the rounds single stack only, If not, 223 rounds will still naturally double stack in the magazine and catch on the lip allowing the mag to hold more rounds than legal for a semi automatic rifle magazine. (this is the RCMP contention with their FRT legal comments)
 
nikola499 said:
The magazine in the OP fits and feeds 18 rounds of .223. But it was designed as a 5 round .458 SOCOM and is marked as so.
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Not really. They are standard 30 round .223 mags they stamp .458 socom on and call it legal. For all intents and purposes it is a .223 magazine. If you were to design a short 5 round only 50 beo or 458 magazine with a follower that wod not allow .223 to function (i.e. flat so they won't stack in the mag) you may be fine, otherwise I do have to agree with the RCMP on their interpretation.
 
Ar180shooter said:
Not really. They are standard 30 round .223 mags they stamp .458 socom on and call it legal. For all intents and purposes it is a .223 magazine. If you were to design a short 5 round only 50 beo or 458 magazine with a follower that wod not allow .223 to function (i.e. flat so they won't stack in the mag) you may be fine,] otherwise I do have to agree with the RCMP on their interpretation.
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flat follower is not enough, 223 rounds will still naturally double stack in the mag and be held by the lips. It needs an internal limiter to only allow a single stack and not allowing the lips to hold the smaller 223 rounds like bushmaster/remington did with the 450 bushmaster.
 
Brian46 said:
flat follower is not enough, 223 rounds will still naturally double stack in the mag and be held by the lips. It needs an internal limiter to only allow a single stack and not allowing the lips to hold the smaller 223 rounds like bushmaster/remington did with the 450 bushmaster.
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I was going to say; I think the only big bore magazine I've seen that are legal are the 450 Bushmaster ones; they're actually designed quite a bit differently so a .223 case won't catch into the magazine. With that said, I've never seen the RCMP state they are okay; so it would be best to write them a letter and get a reply. THAT is the only thing that will stand up in court, a letter written by the RCMP Tech branch to you (the writer).
 
Brian46 said:
flat follower is not enough, 223 rounds will still naturally double stack in the mag and be held by the lips. It needs an internal limiter to only allow a single stack and not allowing the lips to hold the smaller 223 rounds like bushmaster/remington did with the 450 bushmaster.
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I was just using the flat follower idea as an example of the requirement to have a dedicated incompatible follower. Of course you would need to experiment to find a workable solution. There is no need to be pedantic about the whole thing.
 
Brian46 said:
not really, nobody sells a proprietary magazine for the 458 socom, gun makers who build 458 socom rifles ship them with a 223 magazine, not an issue in the usa, but for Canada it is a big problem.

This all could be avoided if they did what Remington/Bushmaster did with the 30 AR and 450 Bushmaster in regards to a proprietary STANAG pattern magazine that can not hold or feed 223/5.56 rounds
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Aaaaa
That’s not correct
 
Writing 458 on a 223/556 mag is not proprietary, we saw this happen with the beowulf already.

cmmg ships their 458 with Lancer 223/556 mags

If I can double stack 223/556 rounds in the mag and it holds on the lip, the RCMP say it's illegal as it is a rifle magazine that holds more than 5 rounds just like the beowulf
 
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