Magnetic Mag Pouches in Production?

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Are magnetic mag pouches legal in IPSC Production class?

I'm looking at the DAA mag pouch combo, they are saying it is OK in both Standard & Production but requires all the pouches to move back, to comply with the 'back of the hip bone' rule. They show what looks like a regular pouch, with a magnet attached to one of the sides. If I'm reading it correctly, I can then put one mag into the pouch itself, and tack another one onto the magnet? :confused:
 
Magnetic pouches are fine for Production. As long as they and magazines comply with Appendix D4.18:

Neither the handgun, nor any of its attachments, nor the holster, nor any
allied equipment, can extend forward of the line illustrated in Appendix F3.
Any such items a Range Officer deems not to be in compliance must be
safely and promptly adjusted, failing which Rule 6.2.5.1 will apply.

The DAA magnet holds 2 magazines easily when picking up from the table or even 3 if you do it carefully. But I won't recommend using it as a replacement of first pouch.
 
euxx said:
The DAA magnet holds 2 magazines easily when picking up from the table or even 3 if you do it carefully. But I won't recommend using it as a replacement of first pouch.
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I was actually thinking about the 1st pouch, but as an add-on, not a replacement, so that I could pick two mags off a table when required. What's wrong with a mag pouch for No.1? I suppose if the mag goes in front of the hip bone I'd get a procedural, is that it?
 
Retrieving the magazine from the magnet if you replace the first pouch with one is inconsistent, due to unpredictable position of the magazine on it .
 
Just what babo_al said.

aridan said:
I suppose if the mag goes in front of the hip bone I'd get a procedural, is that it?
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In this case it won't be a procedural. Rule 6.2.5.1 will apply, and it will automatically kick you into the Open division, or even to shooting match for no score.
 
If you start with a mag on the magnetic it must fall into the 2" from torso rule. if your magnetic is there for pick up stages then it doesn't matter.
 
Walter Hornby said:
If you start with a mag on the magnetic it must fall into the 2" from torso rule. if your magnetic is there for pick up stages then it doesn't matter.
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That's what I was hoping to hear, thanks!

Going through the rule book, I can't find a description of how 2" from torso is measured. would it be the maximum distance the mag extends from torso, i.e. including the width of the mag? I'm thinking of putting a magnet on outside of a regular pouch.
 
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Stand Straight with a mag on the magnetic. have some one try to run a credit card or a overlay wide wise between you and the mag. if the card doesn't touch you and the mag on any part between the holder and the top of the mag you fail, maybe. an RO can allow for anatomical consideration. see rule 5.2.5 Where a Division specifies a maximum distance that a competitor's
handgun and equipment may extend away from a competitor's body, a
Range Officer may check compliance by measuring the closest distance
between the competitor’s torso and the center of the longest dimension of
the handgun grip and/or any reloading devices.
5.2.5.1. These measurements will be done while the competitor is
standing naturally upright. See Appendix F3.
5.2.5.2. Any competitor who fails the foregoing test will be required to
immediately adjust his holster or equipment to comply with the
requirements of the relevant Division. The Range Master may
make allowances for variations in these requirements due to
anatomical considerations. Some competitors may not be able
to fully comply.
5.2.5.3. Unless specified in the written stage briefing, or unless required
by a Range Officer, the position of holsters and allied
equipment must not be moved or changed by a competitor from
stage to stage. If a retaining strap or flap is attached to a
holster, it must be applied or closed prior to issuance of the
"Standby" command (see Rule 8.3.3).
 
Walter Hornby said:
Stand Straight with a mag on the magnetic. have some one try to run a credit card or a overlay wide wise between you and the mag. if the card doesn't touch you and the mag on any part between the holder and the top of the mag you fail, maybe. an RO can allow for anatomical consideration. see rule 5.2.5 Where a Division specifies a maximum distance that a competitor's
handgun and equipment may extend away from a competitor's body, a
Range Officer may check compliance by measuring the closest distance
between the competitor’s torso and the center of the longest dimension of
the handgun grip and/or any reloading devices.
5.2.5.1. These measurements will be done while the competitor is
standing naturally upright. See Appendix F3.
5.2.5.2. Any competitor who fails the foregoing test will be required to
immediately adjust his holster or equipment to comply with the
requirements of the relevant Division. The Range Master may
make allowances for variations in these requirements due to
anatomical considerations. Some competitors may not be able
to fully comply.
5.2.5.3. Unless specified in the written stage briefing, or unless required
by a Range Officer, the position of holsters and allied
equipment must not be moved or changed by a competitor from
stage to stage. If a retaining strap or flap is attached to a
holster, it must be applied or closed prior to issuance of the
"Standby" command (see Rule 8.3.3).
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Wow, thank god for people who know their IPSC Bible! Thank you!
 
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