Magneto Speed the Different Models?

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I have been thinking about replacing my Beta Chrony with a magneto speed for a good while. I am trying to figure out the difference in the models.
I want to be able to chrony rifles with sporter barrels all the way upto 1inch diameter approx.

There is a sporter kit priced at $280 and a V3 priced at $540. Whats the big difference in the kits in real life usage. I am sure its not an extra $260 just to accommodate larger diameter barrels and muzzle breaks or is it?
And if thats the case is there large barrel adaptor to go with the cheaper sporter kit?
 
Why not go with a LabRadar and ditch the s**t hanging off your barrel?

I know I'll probably get attacked for saying it, but when shooting precision, developing loads etc, the last thing I want is a foreign object on the end of my barrel which in some way or another ultimately will affect barrel harmonics and thus accuracy.

YMMV
 
The only benifits the Magneto has over the Lab ,that I can tell,are, I can strap it on , in my basement,walk 300 yards and do a quick test. And it’s a bit cheaper:)
I’m sure there’s other pros and cons.
 
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Why not go with a LabRadar and ditch the s**t hanging off your barrel?

I know I'll probably get attacked for saying it, but when shooting precision, developing loads etc, the last thing I want is a foreign object on the end of my barrel which in some way or another ultimately will affect barrel harmonics and thus accuracy.

YMMV

Well, here ya go then. Have you tested with and without one? I have. Multiple times with multiple rifles, multiple calibers, all high end precision shooting 1/2MOA or better. I too thought there would be a shift in POI due to harmonics. Doesn't appear to be so. 5 rounds with, then 5 rounds without the Magnetospeed, all the rounds as good as I can make them, all the way through various 10 rounds x 10 of each at 0.1gr and 0.2gr increment 'ladder' tests. All at 300-500m under close to perfectly calm shooting conditions. Any FU's were mine. Any 5 shot group POI shift was well under 0.05MOA if I could identify it at all. The tests were performed just to id any problems that the Magnetospeed might introduce. Normally I shoot 10 rounds x 5 or each at my chosen increment.

The Magnetospeed seems to work just fine without causing any problems other than it can be difficult to fit or keep stationary on a few rifles and impossible to fit on others. It needs to be checked to see that it is tight, and not sliding/rotating. Won't work with pistols or full barrel lug revolvers. The descriptions on the Magnetospeed website describe the differences. I bought the V3 when it first came out and I don't think the 'Sporter' was available although I might not have looked carefully. Just a casual glance at the pictures show that the two devices are similar but very different. The Sporter model at $300 looks to be a "light duty' V3. It is shorter, not as deep for accommodating large muzzle brakes, rail has no muzzle blast protection, electronics package is different, accessories look different. It can not be converted with add-on parts, etc. The V3 at around $550 is much beefier and seems very reliable. Mine has around 5-6K shots fired over it and works perfectly. Everything required is included. A 9V battery runs it for days. One item that can be useful to have is a thin piece of bicycle inner tube or neoprene to add under the ballistic nylon strap to provide more gripping area on the barrel.

Labradar can be difficult to set up for reliable cycling/initial id of shot, but once it is dialed in seems to work quite reliably but can still miss a shot from time to time. Main difficulty is discriminating between shots fired by nearby shooters. That can be extremely frustrating. On the other hand, it can be used with virtually any firearm within reason. It is bulky and pretty much requires the base plate accessory or a camera tripod to attach it to. In my terms, it 'eats' batteries, be sure to bring at least a second set of 6 AA or bring a Li-ion battery pack. $750 plus another $60-100 depending on the accessories.

My personal preference is umm, well, about 2/3 leaning towards the Magnetospeed.

That's my mileage.
 
Well, here ya go then. Have you tested with and without one? I have. Multiple times with multiple rifles, multiple calibers, all high end precision shooting 1/2MOA or better. I too thought there would be a shift in POI due to harmonics. Doesn't appear to be so. 5 rounds with, then 5 rounds without the Magnetospeed, all the rounds as good as I can make them, all the way through various 10 rounds x 10 of each at 0.1gr and 0.2gr increment 'ladder' tests. All at 300-500m under close to perfectly calm shooting conditions. Any FU's were mine. Any 5 shot group POI shift was well under 0.05MOA if I could identify it at all. The tests were performed just to id any problems that the Magnetospeed might introduce. Normally I shoot 10 rounds x 5 or each at my chosen increment.

The Magnetospeed seems to work just fine without causing any problems other than it can be difficult to fit or keep stationary on a few rifles and impossible to fit on others. It needs to be checked to see that it is tight, and not sliding/rotating. Won't work with pistols or full barrel lug revolvers. The descriptions on the Magnetospeed website describe the differences. I bought the V3 when it first came out and I don't think the 'Sporter' was available although I might not have looked carefully. Just a casual glance at the pictures show that the two devices are similar but very different. The Sporter model at $300 looks to be a "light duty' V3. It is shorter, not as deep for accommodating large muzzle brakes, rail has no muzzle blast protection, electronics package is different, accessories look different. It can not be converted with add-on parts, etc. The V3 at around $550 is much beefier and seems very reliable. Mine has around 5-6K shots fired over it and works perfectly. Everything required is included. A 9V battery runs it for days. One item that can be useful to have is a thin piece of bicycle inner tube or neoprene to add under the ballistic nylon strap to provide more gripping area on the barrel.

Labradar can be difficult to set up for reliable cycling/initial id of shot, but once it is dialed in seems to work quite reliably but can still miss a shot from time to time. Main difficulty is discriminating between shots fired by nearby shooters. That can be extremely frustrating. On the other hand, it can be used with virtually any firearm within reason. It is bulky and pretty much requires the base plate accessory or a camera tripod to attach it to. In my terms, it 'eats' batteries, be sure to bring at least a second set of 6 AA or bring a Li-ion battery pack. $750 plus another $60-100 depending on the accessories.

My personal preference is umm, well, about 2/3 leaning towards the Magnetospeed.

That's my mileage.

Interesting read, thank you for your reply.

While I do not discredit anything you have said, I am just of the mindset that anything on the end of my barrel when shooting is a no-no. For you, it seems to work ok and that's great.

The other point of yours I'll touch on is the LabRadar being difficult to set up. I have to respectfully disagree with you as I believe it to be incredibly simple and all controls are quite intuitive. The issue of discriminating between your shots and those of nearby shooters can be mitigated by adjusting trigger sensitivity, although admittedly I shoot quite a bit by myself and have not faced this issue first hand. I will say, once set up and the shooting begins, missing a shot is indeed a rarity. Yes, you are correct; the battery pack in my opinion is a must and will incur added initial expense.

At the end of the day, we all have our preferences, often governed by budget and desired product capability. The LabRadar is indeed expensive, arguably finicky to get set up on initial use and bulky by some folks' standards. But none of that bulk is hanging off the end of my barrel, and for me, that's important.

Tight groups my friend.
 
Well, here ya go then. Have you tested with and without one? I have. Multiple times with multiple rifles, multiple calibers, all high end precision shooting 1/2MOA or better. I too thought there would be a shift in POI due to harmonics. Doesn't appear to be so. 5 rounds with, then 5 rounds without the Magnetospeed, all the rounds as good as I can make them, all the way through various 10 rounds x 10 of each at 0.1gr and 0.2gr increment 'ladder' tests. All at 300-500m under close to perfectly calm shooting conditions. Any FU's were mine. Any 5 shot group POI shift was well under 0.05MOA if I could identify it at all. The tests were performed just to id any problems that the Magnetospeed might introduce. Normally I shoot 10 rounds x 5 or each at my chosen increment.

The Magnetospeed seems to work just fine without causing any problems other than it can be difficult to fit or keep stationary on a few rifles and impossible to fit on others. It needs to be checked to see that it is tight, and not sliding/rotating. Won't work with pistols or full barrel lug revolvers. The descriptions on the Magnetospeed website describe the differences. I bought the V3 when it first came out and I don't think the 'Sporter' was available although I might not have looked carefully. Just a casual glance at the pictures show that the two devices are similar but very different. The Sporter model at $300 looks to be a "light duty' V3. It is shorter, not as deep for accommodating large muzzle brakes, rail has no muzzle blast protection, electronics package is different, accessories look different. It can not be converted with add-on parts, etc. The V3 at around $550 is much beefier and seems very reliable. Mine has around 5-6K shots fired over it and works perfectly. Everything required is included. A 9V battery runs it for days. One item that can be useful to have is a thin piece of bicycle inner tube or neoprene to add under the ballistic nylon strap to provide more gripping area on the barrel.

Labradar can be difficult to set up for reliable cycling/initial id of shot, but once it is dialed in seems to work quite reliably but can still miss a shot from time to time. Main difficulty is discriminating between shots fired by nearby shooters. That can be extremely frustrating. On the other hand, it can be used with virtually any firearm within reason. It is bulky and pretty much requires the base plate accessory or a camera tripod to attach it to. In my terms, it 'eats' batteries, be sure to bring at least a second set of 6 AA or bring a Li-ion battery pack. $750 plus another $60-100 depending on the accessories.

My personal preference is umm, well, about 2/3 leaning towards the Magnetospeed.

That's my mileage.

As a new Magnetospeed V3 owner who was wondering about the potential effects it has on harmonics it seems you have cleared up any niggling doubts I had

Its information like this that makes this forum so great!
 
The usual caveats on my testing. The rifles I tested this with are almost all bedded benchrest with upgraded triggers and high end optic mountings and optics. Barrels are Heavy Bull Sporter or heavier and lengths range from 20 to 27 inches. Calibers .223, 6.5CM, .308, and .300WM. I almost always have the Magnetospeed on the rifle I am currently shooting. I like the velocity data and what it means to my ranging accuracy. If you put a Magnetospeed on a light 'spaghetti' hunting rifle barrel I can see where there could be some, or possibly a lot of POI shift. Maybe on a 28 to 32 inch Palma barrel there could be significantly more change as well. I don't know. I stuck it on a bolt action 44/77 Ruger, and Marlin 45-70, 30-30, and .357 levers, for a few rounds each at various times just to get some muzzle velocity speeds but never to check on POI shift. Not only didn't I care about it, but there is enough POI shift from shot to shot with them that any added by the Magnetospeed would be impossible to identify. I'm happy to hit within a small pie plate with most of them at 100 yards although the .357 and 44/77 have surprised me with their accuracy. Those 4 latter rifles have high specific impulse due to the fast burning powder combined with light weight and most (not the .357) kick like mules compared to the heavier bench rifles. It is a wonder the Magnetospeed stays attached to the barrel. I had to re-position it almost every shot with the 44/77 and 45-70.

There are positive applications and limitations to both. I prefer the Magnetospeed. I can see where the LabRadar is better in other circumstances and can be run without 'interference' from nearby shooters.

Either of these beats a 'light based' chronograph like an Oehler or F1 hands down. I shudder every time I see one of these things being carted down to the firing line. I KNOW it is going to be at least a half hour wasted in getting it set up, lined up, working, and then another 1/2 hour on and off, working reliably. Since it has to sit out front of the firing line, the range has to be cold to set it up or adjust it. A friend of mine had one and after the first time out I decided there was no point in going to the range unless I wanted to sit around, read books, drink coffee all day, and try to ignore the comments from others waiting to shoot.
 
I have the cheaper Magnetospeed and the difference is the stored data, meaning if you have a pad and pencil is cheaper than the V3 model.

Also at my range people get upset if someone is setting up chronograph screens and keeping them from shooting. Meaning shooters yelling at the guy to get behind the shooting line so "they" can shoot.

There are impolite people anywhere you go and chronograph screens at a busy shooting range can be a problem.

And since I saw A-Holes yelling at my range and photos of stands and screens with bullet holes in them I bought the Magnetospeed.

Bottom line, I prefer going to the range when no one else is there. (no a$$ holes) That way when I leave the range there is no doubt who the best shot that day. :d
 
Guys please focus, I think the OP is asking if he can get away with the $250 magnetospeed. Not the 900 labradar.

Correct, and the fault is mine. My apologies to the OP.

Though I will say the discussion with rick357 was quite enlightening. Furthermore, two gunnutz with differing opinions/preferences had a mature discussion and shared a few points of view without anyone being called names and nobody getting ignorant or anything of the sort. I truly think there is something to be said for that!

Cheers to you rick357, and to the OP; grab the magnetospeed and get out there and shoot!
 
Not sure if its been mentioned already but from memory one of the reasons I held out for the V3 was that it can be used with pistols (additional hardware required) whereas the Sporter could not
 
Its all interesting information.

It sounds like stored/retrievable data plus adaptors for larger barrels and breaks accounts for the $260 difference in model price.

So if I don't mind recording velocity shot to shot and manually calculating ES, can I buy the sporter version with an adaptor for larger diameter barrels?
 
I have the cheaper Magnetospeed and the difference is the stored data, meaning if you have a pad and pencil is cheaper than the V3 model.

Also at my range people get upset if someone is setting up chronograph screens and keeping them from shooting. Meaning shooters yelling at the guy to get behind the shooting line so "they" can shoot.

There are impolite people anywhere you go and chronograph screens at a busy shooting range can be a problem.

And since I saw A-Holes yelling at my range and photos of stands and screens with bullet holes in them I bought the Magnetospeed.

Bottom line, I prefer going to the range when no one else is there. (no a$$ holes) That way when I leave the range there is no doubt who the best shot that day. :d

This.......I have the Sporter Kit, works well for all my rifles, shotguns, antique, even revolvers. But I do use the Chrony for pistol and shoot thru the window......

I only use while developing loads to confirm speed, so I can work out the dope when I finalise the load.

Well worth the price, I ordered directly from Western Metal in Calgary - great to deal with.

KR
 
Its all interesting information.

It sounds like stored/retrievable data plus adaptors for larger barrels and breaks accounts for the $260 difference in model price.

So if I don't mind recording velocity shot to shot and manually calculating ES, can I buy the sporter version with an adaptor for larger diameter barrels?
I think the only thing the sporter version won’t do,that the v3 will, is pistols.

You can get the V3 for $460 Cad, to your door+|- a few bucks.
 
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