Making 410 brass

I am in the process of doing it right now. After annealing, I used WLR primer, 8-10 grs Unique with cotton over that then filled to top with cream of wheat and some wax at the tip. They bulged out to fit the chamber at the top half, but the lower portion of the shell is still similar to 303 specs. I am considering a load with some shot next to form the shell closer to chamber size.
 
Some guys switch to 30-40 Krag if .303 arn't ejecting because of the rim thickness or .444 Marlin...........I picked up .444 dies but havn't experimented yet........Harold
 
Do a search this has been brought up many times. Use 444 brass . 303 is too small at the base

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If i am not mistaken...the Ishapore (indian) .410 used the fire formed .303 brass, not the modern 2 1/2 or 3 " .410 carts. Thus could be the problem with trying to fireform the brass to the modern dimensions.
 
The whole idea is most likely impractical, but I think RR is right about the 444 brass. I just don't have any. I understand Lee makes a round ball mold in .395 if you wanted a heavy shot load. I don't know if you would load more than one in it. Sort of like a 40 cal. single shot. Useless, but maybe fun to play with.
 
My beautiful, like new, only dragged behind a tank once Ishapore will fire/is chambered for 3" and will fire factory .410 if there is an o-ring on it to bring the primer back towards the firing pin. A real "fun gun" for sure.:p
 
410 brass

years ago before I even heard about reloading I remember buying 44-40 shot shells for my old Marlin with octagon barrel, the shells never cycled very well in the lever action so I used them all shooting rabbits and partridge in my 410 coey single shot. if I remember correctly they were a tad on the short side but shot very well [ had a box of 50] they also had a piece of glass over the pellets with a small roll crimp on the end, haven't seen any for along time[maybe 30 years or so]but a fellow should be able to use regular 44-40 once fired brass,it is a bit short but should work.interesting progect have fun. John
 
RR said:
Why do you think that?
There are lots of 5/8 oz loads in the load manuals
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I was thinking the .410 slug is 1/5 oz. I found a interesting shot comparison on Wikipedia Comparison chart
Below is a chart with diameters per pellet and weight for idealized lead spheres.

Size Type Weight Diameter
#TriBall(12 Ga.) Buck 20.41 g (315 gr.) 15.24 mm (0.60")
#0000 Buck 5.51 g (85 gr.) 9.40 mm (0.380")
#000 Buck 4.54 g (70 gr.) 9.14 mm (0.360")
#00 Buck 3.49 g (53.8 gr.) 8.38 mm (0.330")
#0 Buck 3.18 g (49 gr.) 8.13 mm (0.320")
#1 Buck 2.62 g (40.5 gr.) 7.62 mm (0.300")
#2 Buck 1.91 g (29.4 gr.) 6.86 mm (0.270")
#3 Buck 1.52 g (23.4 gr.) 6.35 mm (0.250")
#4 Buck 1.34 g (20.7 gr.) 6.09 mm (0.240")
#FF Buck 1.18 g (18.2 gr.) 5.84 mm (0.230")
#F (TTT) Buck 1.05 g (16.2 gr.) 5.59 mm (0.220")
#TT Buck 0.98 g (15.1 gr.) 5.33 mm (0.210")
#T Buck 0.89 g (13.7 gr.) 5.08 mm (0.200")
#BBB 0.66 g (10.2 gr.) 4.82 mm (0.190")
#BB 0.57 g (8.8 gr.) 4.57 mm (0.180")
#B 0.48 g (7.4 gr.) 4.32 mm (0.170")
2 3.76 mm (0.148")
4 3.28 mm (0.129")
5 3.05 mm (0.120")
6 2.77 mm (0.109")
7.5 2.39 mm (0.094")
8 2.26 mm (0.089")
8.5 2.16 mm (0.085")
9 2.01 mm (0.079")
12 1.3 mm (0.05")
 
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Bought a boito hiker from frontier and got sticker shock from the cost of 410 Buckshot loads. Approximately 2 dollars each. Fireformed with 4.9 grains of clays and a case full of cream of wheat topped with a piece of toillet paper. I had wrapped the casing with masking tape in order to align it in the chamber. The boito was capable of launching the TP to about 30 feet. First fireforming made the casing somewhat useable.

I then loaded the casing with 3.9 Grains of clays and 4 38 caliber round balls 82 grains each. Plus some felt pads that I bought from Canadian Tire. The second firing with the lead balls blew the casing out to fill the chamber.

Eventually I got my hands on some 410 shotgun hulls. These made the loads work much better than the felt pads. If you were to load shot you would need to glue some cardboard or something over your shot to keep the from falling out. The balls that I had casted stayed in place with just friction/.


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Please note that no gunnutz were harmed during any of these experiments. Also for anyone thinking about making a cartridge with a regular bullet for a 410 it probably will not work. I spent 50 bucks in a mold and 40 caliber factory crimp. The crimper ruins the 410 casing and a 39 caliber bullet necessary to pass though the choke will not remain seated in a 410 casing. Been there done that.
 
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