Making your own less lethal ammo

cpt. canuck

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I was at a store today that sells .22 and .50 round nylon balls and got to thinking that this stuff looked just like the little balls in the less lethal ammo that I have payed 5 bucks a round for. Has anybody ever made there own LL ammo before?
 
cpt. canuck said:
I was at a store today that sells .22 and .50 round nylon balls and got to thinking that this stuff looked just like the little balls in the less lethal ammo that I have payed 5 bucks a round for. Has anybody ever made there own LL ammo before?
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Please define what you are calling less lethal or what you envision as less leathal... There are so many kinds and they all can be lethal.. Rubber bullets, bean bag, wax to name a few and in some cases frangible are even considered less lethal as they won't (shouldn't) continue past any hard cover...

I've played with a bunch of different things but I would want to know what your aspirations are before I could give any direction... If it's for target shooting LL also means less velocity and power so the accuracy can go out the window and you will have to adjust your sighting...
 
cpt. canuck said:
Less lethal means someone comes in your house in the middle of the night and the Less lethal round goes in the tube first followed by a couple of 00 so that I have the ability to deal a escalating level of force.
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Since you are now talking shotgun you could try cornmeal or rock salt.. I seem to recall hearing about a method for loading liquids and used motor oil was suggested.. But I don't know that I'd like that inside the house ...


Somebody once told me they tried flour to rather devastating results...

But just remember that using any force could get you arrested as well...
 
I hate to rain on your experiment, but in practical terms if you've got enough cause to point a firearm at someone, you'd better be using lead. I know less lethal is a buzzword with the police departments, but they also have the training and the lawyers to back them up. You don't.

You are either in fear for your life, or you are not. Warning shots and escalating force level arguments don't make it to the jurys ears. Instead they hear about the crack pot with a shotgun full of rock salt torturing the poor disenfranchised soul.
 
Canuck223 said:
I hate to rain on your experiment, but in practical terms if you've got enough cause to point a firearm at someone, you'd better be using lead. I know less lethal is a buzzword with the police departments, but they also have the training and the lawyers to back them up. You don't.

You are either in fear for your life, or you are not. Warning shots and escalating force level arguments don't make it to the jurys ears. Instead they hear about the crack pot with a shotgun full of rock salt torturing the poor disenfranchised soul.
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Sorry but I don't buy into that theory.
 
The only thing I'd be worried about is that if you load Less than Lethal ammo, then it could be shown as intent to use your firearm against a human. It could be argued that you kept your shotgun as a weapon for self defence, which unfortunatley is frowned upon in our country.
 
I say dump a load of number 7 1/2 or 8 birdshot in the intruders lower extremities. That'll make 'em think twice and most likely end their bloodlines then and there.

Honestly though, 5 bucks a round, sure. Chances of you ever using that are slim in none. Why would your really ever need more then say 5? Nah, reloading less lethal makes no sense to me unless you are planning on using in abundance.
 
humm, pepper shot works well! rock salt is also excellent in LTL! Yes it is a good idea to keep the first few shots LTL and then a few real ones as backup just incase.
 
Well, discussing legal issues with regards to your topic are quite a must.
If you are going to use a gun for defensive purposes, the first shot better be your last and it better kill the purp.
Why? Nobody left to testify in court against you.
I live in a not overly friendly part of the city and if some ass bandit decides to pull a home invasion, No7.5 is what his head is getting.
Now don't get me wrong here folks, I'm would much rather send rubber down the tube and if absolutely necessary followed by lead.
But the sad fact is that the law is on the side of criminals especially when it comes to self defence using firearms.
If there is nobody left to testify, 98% of the time you get a pat on the back and get to live another free day.
Just ask a couple of lawyers, peace officers and judges and you might want to look at some case studies as well.
First protect your self and then worry about the others.
 
Cpt Canuk is asking about the possible reloading of LL ammo for a 12 G shell.

The gun store commando legal advice is great and all but I dont think it adds to the conversation. I am also curious of Cpt Canuks question, so lets keep it to logistics.

LL ammo is freaking expensive I have seen it go for over 7.50 a round in the past. Lets talk about how to reload.

Any suggestions?
 
sixty9santa said:
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Just ask a couple of lawyers, peace officers and judges and you might want to look at some case studies as well.
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Please cite some of the cases you are thinking of. I am curious.
 
1899 said:
Please cite some of the cases you are thinking of. I am curious.
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Actually the one that comes to my mind is the guy in rural Ontario who wasted an OPP kicking in his door in the middle of the night.:mad:

Serving a warrant on the wrong address:eek:

Acquited (mid 80's IIRC)
 
Do you remember his name?

Never mind...this is a hijack, sorry.
 
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Less than lethal ammo has application for stray dogs and wildlife. My favorite in that regard is to push wax into a .38, .357, or .44 cartridge case and propel the wax with a primer. At 20' it will shoot through a card board box - and it gives a dog a good pinch when hit on the rump without doing any long term harm. I also have some old rubber .44 slugs designed to be loaded the same way, but I've never used any of them.

I think we've all heard about rock salt in a shotgun shell, but I'm sure you would only get dust coming out of the barrel. I'd try those hard white beans kids use in pea shooters. Be careful, could be lethal at close range.
 
If home break in is a problem in the area, a shotgun is better than any other, reason is its the ok killing weapon if the person is inside the house. Start messen with ammo and the courts will eat that right up.Also semi auto or pistols not recomended.Shooting someone in the yard, a no no for sure. You have to be able to defend the event , and that you were certain you and family members were in grave danger. And the wounds must be a frontal hit at close range, ie you were being attacked.
I had a chance to drill with questions , a once 7 year toronto cop turned Lawyer. And I did not leave anything out. After all the facts from the horses mouth is the way to go.
Now the reason for the shotgun baffles me, but to him, he said its a common firearm that anyone could have in their home, and is accepted by the courts more easily.:rolleyes:
Frank
 
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So any ways back to my question, would it be safe to take a standard 7 1/2 shell and pull the shot out of it and replace it with some nylon BB's?
 
Why not?
Loads of fun, and you can also use, dare I say it, airsoft pellets as well.
And sorry for the hijack, my bad.
 
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