Manual/semi-auto 9mm carbine on AR lower in UK

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...and no, I'm not drunk. Here in yUK this is as near as we can get to the real semi-auto AR lower 9mm Parabellum carbine.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15yHuA69oAA Part 1 & 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Soe9u3_cZGk

I got to shoot this this mornng for the first time. The owner told me that they are pretty rare -at a tad under $1800 I have to agree. With it's 12" barrel and 24" OAL it conforms to the UK's wacky laws on 'short firearms' - bleeve it or not, it is registered here in yUK as a '9mm rifle'.

Uh, right.

What happens is that the bolt gets blown back, just like a semi-auto on the last shot, and held by the bolt release - that way it's not a semi-auto. Manually [actually, thumb-ually] releasing the bolt allows it to travel forward and pick up another round and chambers it for you to shoot and the whole process starts over. Neat, eh?

We have no such thing a restricted magazines here in UK - if you want, and can actually carry, a fifty-round mag for your 12g Viper, you just go ahead and buy it. Same for this baby here - the biggest mags are my UZI 32-rounders - I didn't hand THEM in back in '97 when my UZI pistol disappeared into the melter. Just in case, y'know?

The lower is a custom-made item from one of a number of US manufacurers, and the upper is a custom job made right here in yUK - hence the, ahem, somewhat enthusiastic hanger price.

9mm Para from most makers here hovers around $40-45/C. With a piece like this, it makes reloading a plan.

Best

tac & the boys over here, doing what we can with whatever we can
 
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Well, not yet, and in any case, that would be the action of a criminal. In any event, there are less than ten of these made so far, and with gun control being what it is here, the likelihood of a criminal getting hold of one, when they already have the choice of every REAL FULL-auto you can think of [like crims anywhere], makes it a small risk. Of course, the legal owner MIGHT do such a thing, but the risk of getting found out, and the threat of a ten-year jail sentence, is enough to put most folks off the experiment.

Here we don't play around with our guns like that. The penalties are just too high and not open to pleading innocent. All laws relating to firearms offences here are pre-proven, that is to say, if you are caught in illegal possession of a firearm, then you have no defence to plea that you were not. You WERE in illegal possession of a firearm. End of story. Three/four years ago a non-license-holder found a sawn-off shotgun in his backyard trash. He picked it up and took it to the nearest police station, where he was arrested on the spot, and charged with the illegal possession of a firearm to which he was not licensed. He could not plea not guilty, only mitigating circumstances in that he was actually in the process of handing it in.

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Ex-soldier faces jail for handing in gun
Saturday, November 14, 2009, 12:15

A former soldier who handed a discarded shotgun in to police faces at least five years imprisonment for "doing his duty".

Paul Clarke, 27, was found guilty of possessing a firearm at Guildford Crown Court on Tuesday – after finding the gun and handing it personally to police officers on March 20 this year.

The jury took 20 minutes to make its conviction, and Mr Clarke now faces a minimum of five year's imprisonment for handing in the weapon.

In a statement read out in court, Mr Clarke said: "I didn't think for one moment I would be arrested.

"I thought it was my duty to hand it in and get it off the streets."

The court heard how Mr Clarke was on the balcony of his home in Nailsworth Crescent, Merstham, when he spotted a black bin liner at the bottom of his garden.

In his statement, he said: "I took it indoors and inside found a shorn-off shotgun and two cartridges.

"I didn't know what to do, so the next morning I rang the Chief Superintendent, Adrian Harper, and asked if I could pop in and see him.

"At the police station, I took the gun out of the bag and placed it on the table so it was pointing towards the wall."

Mr Clarke was then arrested immediately for possession of a firearm at Reigate police station, and taken to the cells.

Defending, Lionel Blackman told the jury Mr Clarke's garden backs onto a public green field, and his garden wall is significantly lower than his neighbours.

He also showed jurors a leaflet printed by Surrey Police explaining to citizens what they can do at a police station, which included "reporting found firearms".

Quizzing officer Garnett, who arrested Mr Clarke, he asked: "Are you aware of any notice issued by Surrey Police, or any publicity given to, telling citizens that if they find a firearm the only thing they should do is not touch it, report it by telephone, and not take it into a police station?"

To which, Mr Garnett replied: "No, I don't believe so."

Prosecuting, Brian Stalk, explained to the jury that possession of a firearm was a "strict liability" charge – therefore Mr Clarke's allegedly honest intent was irrelevant.

Just by having the gun in his possession he was guilty of the charge, and has no defence in law against it, he added.

But despite this, Mr Blackman urged members of the jury to consider how they would respond if they found a gun.

He said: "This is a very small case with a very big principle. "You could be walking to a railway station on the way to work and find a firearm in a bin in the park.

"Is it unreasonable to take it to the police station?"

Paul Clarke will be sentenced on December 11.

Judge Christopher Critchlow said: "This is an unusual case, but in law there is no dispute that Mr Clarke has no defence to this charge.

"The intention of anybody possessing a firearm is irrelevant."

He was later given a suspended sentece on December 18, 2009.

December 18, 2009


A FORMER soldier who handed in an abandoned sawn-off shotgun at a police station has walked free from court after a judge gave him a suspended sentence.

Paul Clarke, 27, from Redhill, was previously convicted by a jury of possession of the weapon, which he said he found in a bag in his garden.

His case prompted political and social debate about gun amnesties and strict liability rules – under which prosecutors only have to prove somebody has a weapon.

Clarke had faced the prospect of a five-year prison term when he was sentenced at Reading Crown Court on Friday.

He said he found the gun in an abandoned bin bag in the shared back garden at a block of flats where he used to live in Nailsworth Crescent, Merstham.

The defendant rang a senior officer he knew, Chief Superintendent Adrian Harper, and made an appointment saying he had “something” to give him – but was then arrested when he handed over the weapon.

His defence barrister Lionel Blackman said Clarke had acted honestly and should not have been in court.

“Some would say he should get a reward and not punishment,” Mr Blackman said.

“The court must choose a punishment and I submit the appropriate is an absolute discharge and that is the message to send out to people handing in guns.”

Worried

Clarke told the court he did not touch the shotgun and thought he was doing the right thing by handing it in.

He said he called his sister over to decide what to do after finding the bin bag.

“We sat down and spoke about it and I decided not to call 999.

“I didn’t want the police turning up on my doorstep so I tried contacting Adrian Harper.

“I couldn’t get through to him so we left it that night and called him first thing in the morning.”

Clarke said he told the officer “I have something to give you”, but did not get an appointment to see him at Reigate police station for four days.

He did not say it was a gun because he was worried police would be sent rushing round to his house, the defendant claimed.

When he did go to the police station and produced the weapon for the first time in front of Ch Supt Harper, Clarke said he was amazed when he was told he was going to have to be arrested for possessing a firearm.

“I put it on a table making sure the end did not point anywhere near him,” the defendant said.

“He said I put him in an awkward position because he might have to arrest me. I said ‘what do you mean?’.

“He said, it is illegal even possessing it. I said, can’t you deal with it under an amnesty thing – surely I cannot be arrested for handing it in.”

Clarke, now living in Portland Drive, Redhill, said he was told by Ch Supt Harper that the most he could expect was a caution – and was therefore stunned when police charged him.

"Deadly weapon"

Brian Stalk, prosecuting, argued that he should have contacted police immediately and not kept hold of the gun.

He was found guilty at Guildford Crown Court in November of possession of a prohibited weapon.

Handing down a one-year prison sentence, suspended for 12 months, Judge Christopher Critchlow told Clarke: “A sawn-off shotgun can have no lawful purpose and is used by serious violent criminals to commit very serious crimes. You knew that.

“Because its barrel has been shortened it is a particularly deadly weapon, and that is why Parliament has stated that any person in possession of it is guilty of an absolute offence that carries a minimum sentence of five years’ imprisonment, unless there are exceptional circumstances relating to the offence.

“Your account seems somewhat implausible but I am not prepared to find, bearing the burden and standard of proof, and that I must be sure upon such matters, that it was other than as you have maintained.

“I find that this is a highly unusual case and one in which there are exceptional circumstances that mean it would be unjust to impose the minimum sentence.”

But the judge also branded Clarke’s behaviour “odd” for not handing the weapon in straight away.

Speaking after the sentencing, he said: “I wish I had thrown it in a lake, but unfortunately I didn’t.

“I am disappointed that the English legal system can be so unfair as to punish someone for doing what is right.

“The judge and jury have made a fair decision but I have been given this sentence for handing in a weapon.

“The law should be reviewed – it is wrong that it is a strict liability crime. The law should be about sorting out what is right and wrong.”

Clarke was backed in court by a team of supporters, including former UKIP leader Nigel Farage.

The MEP said he would be writing to every Member of Parliament calling for the law to be changed.

“I am delighted at this outbreak of common sense,” Mr Farage said as Clarke walked free.

“No purpose would have been served in this man spending five years in prison.”

His supporters held up placards saying ‘Shame on Surrey Police’, but the force defended its decision to bring charges.

"Lacked credibility"

“Surrey Police is pleased that, having heard all of the evidence, Clarke has been sentenced appropriately,” a statement said.

“Paul Clarke had claimed he found a sawn-off shotgun and cartridges in his garden.

“He was, in fact, in possession of these for some days and did not contact the police to inform them or enable officers to collect the items.

“He then went to Reigate police station for a meeting on a wholly unrelated matter and did not mention the weapon before or during the meeting.

“At the end of the meeting he produced the weapon, which had been concealed.

“Clarke was given the opportunity to explain the full circumstances of how this lethal and prohibited weapon came to be in his possession.

“This explanation lacked credibility and a report was submitted to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).

“Surrey Police stands by its decision to investigate and make its case to the CPS, which decided that it was in the public interest to prosecute the case in court.”

The statement added that anyone finding a firearm should immediately contact police and not touch the weapon in order to ensure any potential forensic evidence remained untarnished.

He was also sentenced to a one-night curfew.'


tac
 
So, if I find a gun, I'm supposed to just call the cops and wait for them to claim it?
Do I stand guard 'till they show up?
If I don't stand guard, and some kid shows up and kills themselves or someone else, who's liable?
Given that level of BS, I dare say they might charge a person with just knowing where a prohibited gun is. :rolleyes:

What if it looks like a gun? Do people call the cops for every piece of pipe or straight stick they find laying about?

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(((Echo))), in snswering your question - I'd just call the cops and then stand back and watch the fun...

Now, here's the skinny on how this thing works -

Southern Gun Company (SGC) are by many, renowned as the finest custom AR builder in the UK, and their latest offering doesn’t disappoint! Here I present to you the 9mm Lever Release Rifle (nicknamed the “Unicorn” due to the seemingly endless wait for it to be produced, and the belief that its existence was a myth). It’s been a long time coming, but this is the latest innovation in firearm technology, which has been designed to comply with the 1988 Firearms Amendment Act (Self Loading Rifle ban), in a similar way Long Barrelled Revolvers and Long Barrelled Pistols do to the 1997 act. These were initially disliked by the police, but soon became excepted, and are a common sight down the local club and also at major Gallery competitions.. This new rifle, I predict will end the same way.

Laid on the bench, the Lever Release looks like a pretty standard AR-15, with a modified 32rd Uzi magazine shoved in. For only £1150, you get a 13.25”, 1 in 16 twist barrel, 9mmx19 chambered AR, with a low profile upper receiver (with integral picatinny rail), charge bar cocking, A2 flash hider, DPMS free float hand guard, Command Arms collapsible stock, one magazine (spares are ~£45 as they have to be machined to fit) and an A2 pistol grip. However the gun starts to get exciting when you look at action, there's not a locking lug in sight, and an unusual lever on the left hand side where the safety catch should be!

This lever is the key to how the action works. This lever is what stops the rifle being a semi-auto, and hence illegal. The firing sequence is as follows; Use the standard AR T handle charge bar to pull the bolt back (it will automatically lock back), insert a loaded magazine, push down the sprung lever with your thumb (this releases the bolt, which then flies forward, chambering the first round), turn the safety catch to fire as necessary, sight the rifle on the target, and pull the trigger. The round then fires, cycling the bolt back, unloading the chamber, ejecting the empty case, and automatically locks back. To fire the next round push the lever down, releasing the bolt and then pull the trigger again, hence the name, Lever Release Action.

After looking forward to this rifle for countless months, it brought a smile to my face when I shot it for the first time at my local club. The rapid string of gunfire, and clattering of empty brass soon attracted a crowd, interested to see the new rifle. It was simply a dream to shoot! The action unloaded extremely quickly and reliably, and never failed to lock open. The recoil was moderate, as expected, and the whole thing seemed natural to shoot. As you grip the rifle with your finger on the trigger, your thumb sits naturally on the lever, ready to release the bolt. Thus it takes very little co-ordination to achieve a high cyclic rate. Whether you want to use it as a Gallery / Practical Rifle in speed shoots, or shoot precision groups down the range, this rifle is perfect for both.

I tested the rifle with Nato Spec IMI, and Wolf ammo. The IMI cycled 100% reliably for the 100rds I fired, throwing the fired cases out with a lot of force. The steel cases of the wolf decreased the reliability slightly, causing the odd empty case to jam the action, but nothing worth worrying about. The trigger pull is slightly on the heavy side, breaking at about 8lb. With a red dot mounted on the top, both ammunitions easily shot a 1” group at 25m. SGC are renowned for their tight machining tolerances, and for manufacturing precision, accurate rifles, so I expect that this group size would drastically decrease with a scope fitted, however I was unable to test this.

There have been concerns about the legality of this design, however most of these are due to lack of understanding of the mechanism, or false information. I can assure you that this rifle falls 100% within Section 1 of the Firearms Acts. It is a concept, designed and manufactured in the UK, to make the most of what we can still own. Its nice to see this country is still at the cutting edge of firearms manufacturing once again, despite our draconian Gun Laws! It has been shown to Warwickshire Police Firearms Licensing Manager, who is happy with it's legality. SGC have worked extensively to make sure this is the case. Although the lower receiver looks standard, it is a completely new build, designed from scratch. The release lever operates in a very similar way to a semi-auto sear on a trigger – you push the lever down once, it releases the bolt, and then the mechanism springs back up off the lever, so you cannot hold it down to make the rifle go semi auto. You need to release the lever, to reset the sear. Although customers are warned not to try this, as holding the lever down will void the warranty, and damage the mechanism, costing over £400 for a new one.

To ensure the rifle is not easily convertible to section 5, it will not work with a standard AR-15 lower receiver. The trigger mechanism, hammer, and all other internal parts are all custom built for the purpose, and not interchangeable. Therefore you cannot change the lower receiver, or any other parts to convert the rifle to semi auto. The only downside from this is that you cannot fit an aftermarket trigger. In fact you are discouraged from stripping the lower receiver at all, as this will also void the warranty, and after seeing all the tightly tensioned springs inside, I don't think I'd want to try! A slightly odd feature due to the redesigned lower parts is that on the safety catch, fire is still 'up' but safe is pointing back, traditionally where 'auto' would be! Of course AR-15 furniture such as sights, stocks, forends, grips, etc. Fit perfectly on the rifle , as it is still a "Mechano set AR" at heart.

This rifle is a must for any black gun fan, as it is fun, new concept, with the aesthetics and ergonomics of any AR. The price is very good value considering the amount of work that's gone into it, and best of all it brings a smile to your face when shooting!

ETA - If you would like one of these rifles, order one fast, as the first batch is all pre sold, and the next batch will soon be reserved. You require a variation for "1x 9mm rifle".

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tacfoley said:
Well, not yet, and in any case, that would be the action of a criminal. In any event, there are less than ten of these made so far, and with gun control being what it is here, the likelihood of a criminal getting hold of one, when they already have the choice of every REAL FULL-auto you can think of [like crims anywhere], makes it a small risk. Of course, the legal owner MIGHT do such a thing, but the risk of getting found out, and the threat of a ten-year jail sentence, is enough to put most folks off the experiment.

Here we don't play around with our guns like that. The penalties are just too high and not open to pleading innocent. All laws relating to firearms offences here are pre-proven, that is to say, if you are caught in illegal possession of a firearm, then you have no defence to plea that you were not. You WERE in illegal possession of a firearm. End of story. Three/four years ago a non-license-holder found a sawn-off shotgun in his backyard trash. He picked it up and took it to the nearest police station, where he was arrested on the spot, and charged with the illegal possession of a firearm to which he was not licensed. He could not plea not guilty, only mitigating circumstances in that he was actually in the process of handing it in.

See -

Ex-soldier faces jail for handing in gun
Saturday, November 14, 2009, 12:15

A former soldier who handed a discarded shotgun in to police faces at least five years imprisonment for "doing his duty".

Paul Clarke, 27, was found guilty of possessing a firearm at Guildford Crown Court on Tuesday – after finding the gun and handing it personally to police officers on March 20 this year.

The jury took 20 minutes to make its conviction, and Mr Clarke now faces a minimum of five year's imprisonment for handing in the weapon.

In a statement read out in court, Mr Clarke said: "I didn't think for one moment I would be arrested.

"I thought it was my duty to hand it in and get it off the streets."

The court heard how Mr Clarke was on the balcony of his home in Nailsworth Crescent, Merstham, when he spotted a black bin liner at the bottom of his garden.

In his statement, he said: "I took it indoors and inside found a shorn-off shotgun and two cartridges.

"I didn't know what to do, so the next morning I rang the Chief Superintendent, Adrian Harper, and asked if I could pop in and see him.

"At the police station, I took the gun out of the bag and placed it on the table so it was pointing towards the wall."

Mr Clarke was then arrested immediately for possession of a firearm at Reigate police station, and taken to the cells.

Defending, Lionel Blackman told the jury Mr Clarke's garden backs onto a public green field, and his garden wall is significantly lower than his neighbours.

He also showed jurors a leaflet printed by Surrey Police explaining to citizens what they can do at a police station, which included "reporting found firearms".

Quizzing officer Garnett, who arrested Mr Clarke, he asked: "Are you aware of any notice issued by Surrey Police, or any publicity given to, telling citizens that if they find a firearm the only thing they should do is not touch it, report it by telephone, and not take it into a police station?"

To which, Mr Garnett replied: "No, I don't believe so."

Prosecuting, Brian Stalk, explained to the jury that possession of a firearm was a "strict liability" charge – therefore Mr Clarke's allegedly honest intent was irrelevant.

Just by having the gun in his possession he was guilty of the charge, and has no defence in law against it, he added.

But despite this, Mr Blackman urged members of the jury to consider how they would respond if they found a gun.

He said: "This is a very small case with a very big principle. "You could be walking to a railway station on the way to work and find a firearm in a bin in the park.

"Is it unreasonable to take it to the police station?"

Paul Clarke will be sentenced on December 11.

Judge Christopher Critchlow said: "This is an unusual case, but in law there is no dispute that Mr Clarke has no defence to this charge.

"The intention of anybody possessing a firearm is irrelevant."

He was later given a suspended sentece on December 18, 2009.

December 18, 2009


A FORMER soldier who handed in an abandoned sawn-off shotgun at a police station has walked free from court after a judge gave him a suspended sentence.

Paul Clarke, 27, from Redhill, was previously convicted by a jury of possession of the weapon, which he said he found in a bag in his garden.

His case prompted political and social debate about gun amnesties and strict liability rules – under which prosecutors only have to prove somebody has a weapon.

Clarke had faced the prospect of a five-year prison term when he was sentenced at Reading Crown Court on Friday.

He said he found the gun in an abandoned bin bag in the shared back garden at a block of flats where he used to live in Nailsworth Crescent, Merstham.

The defendant rang a senior officer he knew, Chief Superintendent Adrian Harper, and made an appointment saying he had “something” to give him – but was then arrested when he handed over the weapon.

His defence barrister Lionel Blackman said Clarke had acted honestly and should not have been in court.

“Some would say he should get a reward and not punishment,” Mr Blackman said.

“The court must choose a punishment and I submit the appropriate is an absolute discharge and that is the message to send out to people handing in guns.”

Worried

Clarke told the court he did not touch the shotgun and thought he was doing the right thing by handing it in.

He said he called his sister over to decide what to do after finding the bin bag.

“We sat down and spoke about it and I decided not to call 999.

“I didn’t want the police turning up on my doorstep so I tried contacting Adrian Harper.

“I couldn’t get through to him so we left it that night and called him first thing in the morning.”

Clarke said he told the officer “I have something to give you”, but did not get an appointment to see him at Reigate police station for four days.

He did not say it was a gun because he was worried police would be sent rushing round to his house, the defendant claimed.

When he did go to the police station and produced the weapon for the first time in front of Ch Supt Harper, Clarke said he was amazed when he was told he was going to have to be arrested for possessing a firearm.

“I put it on a table making sure the end did not point anywhere near him,” the defendant said.

“He said I put him in an awkward position because he might have to arrest me. I said ‘what do you mean?’.

“He said, it is illegal even possessing it. I said, can’t you deal with it under an amnesty thing – surely I cannot be arrested for handing it in.”

Clarke, now living in Portland Drive, Redhill, said he was told by Ch Supt Harper that the most he could expect was a caution – and was therefore stunned when police charged him.

"Deadly weapon"

Brian Stalk, prosecuting, argued that he should have contacted police immediately and not kept hold of the gun.

He was found guilty at Guildford Crown Court in November of possession of a prohibited weapon.

Handing down a one-year prison sentence, suspended for 12 months, Judge Christopher Critchlow told Clarke: “A sawn-off shotgun can have no lawful purpose and is used by serious violent criminals to commit very serious crimes. You knew that.

“Because its barrel has been shortened it is a particularly deadly weapon, and that is why Parliament has stated that any person in possession of it is guilty of an absolute offence that carries a minimum sentence of five years’ imprisonment, unless there are exceptional circumstances relating to the offence.

“Your account seems somewhat implausible but I am not prepared to find, bearing the burden and standard of proof, and that I must be sure upon such matters, that it was other than as you have maintained.

“I find that this is a highly unusual case and one in which there are exceptional circumstances that mean it would be unjust to impose the minimum sentence.”

But the judge also branded Clarke’s behaviour “odd” for not handing the weapon in straight away.

Speaking after the sentencing, he said: “I wish I had thrown it in a lake, but unfortunately I didn’t.

“I am disappointed that the English legal system can be so unfair as to punish someone for doing what is right.

“The judge and jury have made a fair decision but I have been given this sentence for handing in a weapon.

“The law should be reviewed – it is wrong that it is a strict liability crime. The law should be about sorting out what is right and wrong.”

Clarke was backed in court by a team of supporters, including former UKIP leader Nigel Farage.

The MEP said he would be writing to every Member of Parliament calling for the law to be changed.

“I am delighted at this outbreak of common sense,” Mr Farage said as Clarke walked free.

“No purpose would have been served in this man spending five years in prison.”

His supporters held up placards saying ‘Shame on Surrey Police’, but the force defended its decision to bring charges.

"Lacked credibility"

“Surrey Police is pleased that, having heard all of the evidence, Clarke has been sentenced appropriately,” a statement said.

“Paul Clarke had claimed he found a sawn-off shotgun and cartridges in his garden.

“He was, in fact, in possession of these for some days and did not contact the police to inform them or enable officers to collect the items.

“He then went to Reigate police station for a meeting on a wholly unrelated matter and did not mention the weapon before or during the meeting.

“At the end of the meeting he produced the weapon, which had been concealed.

“Clarke was given the opportunity to explain the full circumstances of how this lethal and prohibited weapon came to be in his possession.

“This explanation lacked credibility and a report was submitted to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).

“Surrey Police stands by its decision to investigate and make its case to the CPS, which decided that it was in the public interest to prosecute the case in court.”

The statement added that anyone finding a firearm should immediately contact police and not touch the weapon in order to ensure any potential forensic evidence remained untarnished.

He was also sentenced to a one-night curfew.'


tac
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How is it that firearms law can have such a high concentration of stupid? The people writing this drivel and passing it off as a just law can't possibly be living in the real world.
 
How much time and resources did they spend on trying to find out who dumped the shotgun in the bin in the first place compared to the pointless prosecution of a harmless citizen.
tac...if I understand correctly centre-fire handguns are also verboten in the UK and some clever designs have evolved as a result.
 
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