Marlin 70PSS (Papoose) vs Henry AR-7

Papoose without a doubt. Built on the same action used by the Model 60 and Model 795 and using 795 mags.
 
Absolutely the Papoose. I've had one of each (the AR7 back when Charter Arms made them) and the Marlin is far superior in accuracy, feel, ease of scope use, magazine availability, trigger action...you name it. The only thing going for the AR7 is the fact that it self-stores in its own stock, and floats when taken down. The Marlin, when taken down, fits into the supplied cordura case nicely, but is still bulkier than the AR7.

John
 
jjohnwm said:
Absolutely the Papoose. I've had one of each (the AR7 back when Charter Arms made them) and the Marlin is far superior in accuracy, feel, ease of scope use, magazine availability, trigger action...you name it. The only thing going for the AR7 is the fact that it self-stores in its own stock, and floats when taken down. The Marlin, when taken down, fits into the supplied cordura case nicely, but is still bulkier than the AR7.

John
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I wonder if the new owners at Marlin would consider redesigning the stock to fit that market niche?
 
The "new" AR-7 with the orange insert which holds 2 mags instead of 1 extra mag are supposed to be better guns!!! True or false that's the question.


 
I had two papooses - One was a warranty replacement for the first, which I managed to bend the pot metal frame around the magazine well: Apparently ANY rearward pressure on the magazine while shooting can cause this.

That issue aside, it was solid, reliable, and ACCURATE at 50m.

I no longer had a niche for it in my collection, so sold it off a few months ago - Comparing to the AR7 is like apples and oranges - The Ar7s just feel like they are meanrt to be disposable.
 
Buster95 said:
The "new" AR-7 with the orange insert which holds 2 mags instead of 1 extra mag are supposed to be better guns!!! True or false that's the question.
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I'm assuming the "old model" is the piece of junk made by Armalite that couldn't hit the side of a barn and jammed on days that ended with day.....

Now that Henry has picked up the AR7 line... the new Henry's have decent accuracy, and are just as reliable as your average semi-22, so the answer here is pretty obvious.

Buster95 said:
Which one is a better rifle?
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The answer is: It depends on what you want to use it for.

The new AR7's are pretty reliable, and probably equal to the Papoose.

The Papoose is probably more accurate.

The AR7 is lighter, is far more compact, and is watertight (when compacted). The Papoose unfortunately does not compact as nicely.

If you plan on doing a lot of shooting with it, here's where the Papoose will shine, as I would be wary of damaging the barrel on the AR7 which is a thin steel liner surrounded by polymer, so it wont shed the heat well.

If you're looking for a small light "just in case" survival rifle, the AR7 is best. If you're looking for a gun to do plinking/squirrel blasting with, the Papoose is best.
 
The new AR-7 is mostly a cosmetic re-design and they have finally started building them with a chamfered breech from the factory. But the magazines have also been a big jamming culprit and i believe they still use the same mag feed ramp/lip setup. Reviews on the new ones i've seen have been spotty at best, and i think buying one is a gamble on whether the mags function properly and QC, and really has little to do with the gun design.

Also the AR-7 is not watertight at all when stowed, it has chunks of foam built into it to make it buoyant so it floats, but it leaks and the parts/ammo inside will get wet.

The papoose however is a very solid, reliable, and accurate gun.

My 70pss only has about 400 rds of CCI std vel through it but not one jam, and accuracy is exactly on par with my model 60. The case is nice to store ammo in also, im thinking of testing to see how much weight it will float because there is enough room in the case for several boxes of ammo, a couple mags, cleaning kit/tools, basic hunting trapping and fishing supplies. A SHTF bug out case dedicated to food gathering and basic survival needs. Personally i leave mine assembled and plan to only pack it up for camping and fishing trips.

mine wears a 4x bushnell banner that fits nicely in the case.
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mikeystew said:
The papoose however is a very solid, reliable, and accurate gun.

My 70pss only has about 400 rds of CCI std vel through it but not one jam, and accuracy is exactly on par with my model 60. The case is nice to store ammo in also, im thinking of testing to see how much weight it will float because there is enough room in the case for several boxes of ammo, a couple mags, cleaning kit/tools, basic hunting trapping and fishing supplies. A SHTF bug out case dedicated to food gathering and basic survival needs.
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Agreed - really not making any concession for the take down feature (not so with AR7 and even a little so with Browning SA). Each of my kids have one with knife, compass (with mirror), whistle, lighter, 4x scope on quick detach rings, 2 mags, rounds stored in the containers inside Kinder Eggs, and a boresnake inside the (likely no longer) floating case. Are also two 50' lengths of paracord floating around meant for in the bag.

Can get far with a smile, can get farther with a compass, mirror, knife, gun and a smile :)
 
And the Papoose has a real free floating barrel :D mikeystew what's the overall length of the rifle once assembled, the case is long enough to store the gun assembled? The trigger is metal or plastic?
 
Fellow on here build something similar to PRK Cricket with a Cooey - .22lr filled tubing for stock and all.

Apart from action screws (blued rather than stainless on newer ones) that require screwdriver (included in case) can also disassemble Papoose down to bolt without further tools. Last shot hold open and manual bolt lock too. Really just a 795 with threaded barrel collar and just works.

Won't fit in case assembled, can leave 4x scope on though.
 
Buster95 said:
And the Papoose has a real free floating barrel :D mikeystew what's the overall length of the rifle once assembled, the case is long enough to store the gun assembled? The trigger is metal or plastic?
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It won't stow in the case assembled, the barrel comes off and stores in a sleeve in the case. OAL assembled is 35.25" and weight is 3.25lbs. And the trigger is polymer. that is the one thing i ill be replacing next time i visit my parents in the US is the trigger guard. there is a company in the states that makes really nice aftermarket marlin parts but they dont ship to Canada.

As a plus though, one thing i was really not expecting was that the scope stays perfectly zeroed at 50m after i remove and reinstall the barrel. it looks like it has been lapped for a really nice fit... i thought for sure i would need to re-zero everytime i mounted the barrel.

And did i mention the 70pss has the last shot bolt hold open feature, auto bolt hold open and a manual bolt release? stock 10/22 cant even say that.

It's just like a lightweight model 795 that breaks down to pack into a tiny carry case... whats not to like? I can take it anywhere without the neighbors or anyone cluing in to what is in the bag.

Amphibious said:
enter the TiGoat cricket conversion:

http://www.titaniumgoat.com/PRK.html ;)
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That is cool! i want to make one! I think it would see a lot of dust though packed away because i would likely never use it.
 
Buster, a folding 10/22 is also a very good choice but will cost you much more to set up and does not offer any of the bonus storage capability that the papoose or AR-7 offers.
 
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