Mauser Kar98k Cleaning Rod

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Does anyone know the diameter and thread pitch of a 98k cleaning rod?
I recently picked up a AX 41 RC manufactured Mauser and surprise, surprise the cleaning rod is missing. I thought I would fabricate one just for looks for now until such time as I locate the proper one.

Cheers, Hi-Standard
 
It shouldn't be a surprise. RCs were refurbed without them.

Repros are available so cheap its not worth your time.
Originals can be had as well.
 
Many people buy the RC rifles with the idea that they are going to "Fix them." Why is beyond me.

The way those rifles come, is the way they are meant to be. That is their history. As soon as someone "Restores them, the devalue them and IMHO screw up their provenance.

Just a bit of advice here, but look at how the value of the RCs has gone through the roof. You pay $500 to $750 for one and add some capture screws for another $10 then a cleaning rod for $15 then go through all of the trouble to remove the shellac and voila, you now have a rifle with RC stamps, peened over waffenampts and usually overall poor finish that is now a bubba and worth $300 to $400.

Makes a lot of sense to me.

Do your homework before you refinish or start adding accessories.

About the only thing you can get away with, are the capture screws. Some, actually were refinished with those by the Soviets. Not many mind you.
 
Give me a break. Adding accessories that don't permanently modify the gun somehow decreases the value? Please show me these "butchered" RCs with sight hoods and cleaning rods for $300, I'll buy thirty.

Let the man do what he wants. It's HIS property.
 
bearhunter said:
Many people buy the RC rifles with the idea that they are going to "Fix them." Why is beyond me.

The way those rifles come, is the way they are meant to be. That is their history. As soon as someone "Restores them, the devalue them and IMHO screw up their provenance.

Just a bit of advice here, but look at how the value of the RCs has gone through the roof. You pay $500 to $750 for one and add some capture screws for another $10 then a cleaning rod for $15 then go through all of the trouble to remove the shellac and voila, you now have a rifle with RC stamps, peened over waffenampts and usually overall poor finish that is now a bubba and worth $300 to $400.

Makes a lot of sense to me.

Do your homework before you refinish or start adding accessories.

About the only thing you can get away with, are the capture screws. Some, actually were refinished with those by the Soviets. Not many mind you.
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Lets see, I just purchased a near mint unshellaced laminate stocked AX 41 RC matched Mauser, with waffenampts intact and now I'm a butcher for wanting a cleaning rod?
 
bearhunter said:
Many people buy the RC rifles with the idea that they are going to "Fix them." Why is beyond me.

The way those rifles come, is the way they are meant to be. That is their history. As soon as someone "Restores them, the devalue them and IMHO screw up their provenance.

Just a bit of advice here, but look at how the value of the RCs has gone through the roof. You pay $500 to $750 for one and add some capture screws for another $10 then a cleaning rod for $15 then go through all of the trouble to remove the shellac and voila, you now have a rifle with RC stamps, peened over waffenampts and usually overall poor finish that is now a bubba and worth $300 to $400.

Makes a lot of sense to me.

Do your homework before you refinish or start adding accessories.

About the only thing you can get away with, are the capture screws. Some, actually were refinished with those by the Soviets. Not many mind you.
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jeebus f'n A key-rice....the guy wants to get some info on a cleaning rod, lets crucify him..unreal
 
Hi-Standard said:
I thought I would fabricate one just for looks for now until such time as I locate the proper one.

Cheers, Hi-Standard
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Now that's Craftsmanship. That would be cool to make one yourself, no matter how long it takes. Considering everything is made in China today.
Let us know how it goes if you make one.
 
Sorry to disappoint you folks but I wasn't crucifying him or anyone else. Just pointing out some facts.

Down the road, 5 years from now, when a few of you want to sell that stuff, you will be in for a shock.

Bubba, is bubba.

The Soviets shellaced those rifles, if it's removed, it's because Bubba did it. That will completely turn off a serious collector.

Don't believe it, try moving a No4 or No1 that has similar refurbs.

In all honesty, I couldn't give a rat's ass what he does with his rifle. It is after all is said and done, HIS RIFLE.

I was trying to point out the error of his ways. Capture screws mar the finish in their detents that would normally stay black. Sight hoods scratch and deform the slots on the front sight. The cleaning rods aren't quite as obvious when they are pulled, fine.

When I see this stuff on a RC, being offered for sale, the Bubba alarm goes off.

HIS CHOICE, HIS RIFLE.
 
bearhunter said:
Sorry to disappoint you folks but I wasn't crucifying him or anyone else. Just pointing out some facts.

Down the road, 5 years from now, when a few of you want to sell that stuff, you will be in for a shock.

Bubba, is bubba.

The Soviets shellaced those rifles, if it's removed, it's because Bubba did it. That will completely turn off a serious collector.

Don't believe it, try moving a No4 or No1 that has similar refurbs.

In all honesty, I couldn't give a rat's ass what he does with his rifle. It is after all is said and done, HIS RIFLE.

I was trying to point out the error of his ways. Capture screws mar the finish in their detents that would normally stay black. Sight hoods scratch and deform the slots on the front sight. The cleaning rods aren't quite as obvious when they are pulled, fine.

When I see this stuff on a RC, being offered for sale, the Bubba alarm goes off.

HIS CHOICE, HIS RIFLE.
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I'm gonna try to ignore the sanctimonious "advice"...however well intended...I hope

That aside...where did he mention anything about removing / adding shellac ? Where did he mention that he was a serious / casual etc. collector ? Where did he ask / mention anything about replacing / adding capture screws ? Where did he say he wanted to add a fake cleaning rod so he could scam un-savvy milsurp collectors ?

You went off on a tangent, borderline fanatic, rant. The OP asked for some info on the specs of a cleaning rod.........that's it. In fact...he may have even said something to the effect that he wanted to make it just for looks......until he could source a real one.

Way over the top....way over
 
bearhunter said:
Sorry to disappoint you folks but I wasn't crucifying him or anyone else. Just pointing out some facts.

Down the road, 5 years from now, when a few of you want to sell that stuff, you will be in for a shock.

Bubba, is bubba.

The Soviets shellaced those rifles, if it's removed, it's because Bubba did it. That will completely turn off a serious collector.

Don't believe it, try moving a No4 or No1 that has similar refurbs.

In all honesty, I couldn't give a rat's ass what he does with his rifle. It is after all is said and done, HIS RIFLE.

I was trying to point out the error of his ways. Capture screws mar the finish in their detents that would normally stay black. Sight hoods scratch and deform the slots on the front sight. The cleaning rods aren't quite as obvious when they are pulled, fine.

When I see this stuff on a RC, being offered for sale, the Bubba alarm goes off.

HIS CHOICE, HIS RIFLE.
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A crate arrived at the dealer a couple of days ago. Eight RC Mausers were in the crate. Four were shellaced, and four were laminate, no shellac. Being a good customer, I was given first pick. I chose a non-shellaced AX 41. I simply asked about a cleaning rod, not for a gunsmith to drill and tap it for a scope. If someone choses to purchase my firearm in the future, they may elect to work the cleaning rod up in them for all I care, it's a cleaning rod, unscrew it and toss it in the garbage!
 
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collectors source has cleaning rods ,they have 2 grades .The cheaper one is 10 and the other is 12 i believe if your interested.there are two different lengths i think the early models have the 10 inch and the later ones are 12.5 inches.Take a small rod and shove in the hole to determine the length you need
 
bearhunter said:
Sorry to disappoint you folks but I wasn't crucifying him or anyone else. Just pointing out some facts.

Down the road, 5 years from now, when a few of you want to sell that stuff, you will be in for a shock.

Bubba, is bubba.

The Soviets shellaced those rifles, if it's removed, it's because Bubba did it. That will completely turn off a serious collector.

Don't believe it, try moving a No4 or No1 that has similar refurbs.

In all honesty, I couldn't give a rat's ass what he does with his rifle. It is after all is said and done, HIS RIFLE.

I was trying to point out the error of his ways. Capture screws mar the finish in their detents that would normally stay black. Sight hoods scratch and deform the slots on the front sight. The cleaning rods aren't quite as obvious when they are pulled, fine.

When I see this stuff on a RC, being offered for sale, the Bubba alarm goes off.

HIS CHOICE, HIS RIFLE.
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Basically Bubba already struck the K98 RC's, THEY HAVE NO PROVENANCE OR ORIGINALITY. In an enormous public works project the Soviets tore down all of their captured German K98's, they reblued them(if you could call it that), applied red stain to the stocks and usually peened the swastikas from the WaA's. Then they reassembled them with no regard for matching parts or stocks and electropencilled serial numbers on the steel and stamped the side of the butt. They also scrapped the sight hoods, cleaning rods and capture screws. Anything you do with an RC does not hurt the value a bit unless you are wire wheeling the steel or sanding the stocks. Not a thing wrong with replacing sight hoods, screws etc. or even swapping parts to end up with a rifle that at least has the proper WaA markings for the manufacturer.
 
Mike Webb said:
Basically Bubba already struck the K98 RC's, THEY HAVE NO PROVENANCE OR ORIGINALITY. In an enormous public works project the Soviets tore down all of their captured German K98's, they reblued them(if you could call it that), applied red stain to the stocks and usually peened the swastikas from the WaA's. Then they reassembled them with no regard for matching parts or stocks and electropencilled serial numbers on the steel and stamped the side of the butt. They also scrapped the sight hoods, cleaning rods and capture screws. Anything you do with an RC does not hurt the value a bit unless you are wire wheeling the steel or sanding the stocks. Not a thing wrong with replacing sight hoods, screws etc. or even swapping parts to end up with a rifle that at least has the proper WaA markings for the manufacturer.
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Well I would disagree with some of that. To myself and many other collectors the capture and rework by the Russians is part of the rifles history and the RC's are collectible. While putting a hood on or adding a cleaning rod won't hurt anything, removing the shellac, swapping Russian renumbered "matching" parts with others or removing the black paint from the buttplates, may hurt the value and collectibility to some.

Just my opinion but I think it's something to consider. Down the road an unmodified RC may have more value and demand than one that's been permanently altered.
 
I completed my 1936 RC with a missing cleaning rod, she looks much better now :).

For your 1941 AX, a 12.5" repro would be appropriate.
 
You may be right but I figure how can they be any more "modified" than they already are? A k98 is "original" once to a collector. Capture or surrendered rifles vary a lot in value. A German marked Russian capture is worth more than a Yugo modified rifle. A Norwegian surrender rifle is worth more then a RC due to it's mostly matching numbers. Who knows in 10 years an "original" RC may fetch $2000 but I highly doubt it. There may be a whole industry in faking Russian Capture K98's. Whether they are Nazi,Russian, Norwegian, Yugo, Czech, Israeli or East German, I like them all.
 
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