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Hey guys kinda new to the milsurp game . I have an opportunity to buy one of two Mausers but I need your advice.

The First Mauser is a 1916 Spanish Mauser in 7mm the second is a Brazilian mauser in 8mm I think its 1941 but I could be way off on that!. Both are in good shape both can be had for $225 or so.
I can only afford one right now (Truck Payments) so which is the more desirable or best shooter. I might add that I plan on using it at the range from time to time as well. HELP!!!!!!!!!!:confused:

Any advice really will help.Also is there any specific questions I should ask?

Thanks Boys!

H.H.B;) ;)
 
if you could post the markings and maybe a photo, someone around here should be able to tell you exactly what you are looking at.

the spanish 1916 is pretty straight forward. is it still in 7mm or has it been converted to 7.62x51? if in 7.62 it will have "7.62" stamped on the receiver. from my experience, spanish rifles in 7mm feed nice and are accurate. if the stock has been cutback i think the price is high.

the brazilian 8mm 1941 is confusing. there are many models of brazilian rifle; 1894, 1908, 1922, 1935, 954, 968, and so on, but no 1941 that i can recall hearing of. most are in 7mm, the 954 is in 30-06 and the 968 is in 7.62 Nato. is it a carbine, short rifle or long rifle? if it is a portugese 1941 in 8mm it is a nice find (assuming it is complete) and i will generously offer to take it off your hands.

from what you have said, condition being close, i would take the brazilian (if you confirm that is what it is) over the spanish as it is most likely german made (maybe czech or belgian as well) and the south american contracts are known for their quality.

bore condition is important. as is a complete stock (not cut back to make a 'sporter'). also check to see if it has been drilled and tapped for scope mounts. are you looking for a 'shooter' or a 'collector piece'? if a shooter, matching numbers are nice but not neccessary, same with a complete stock and drilled holes, these will lower the price from $225 though.

hope that helps.
 
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Sorry boys!

I'll get more info for ya maybe a pic or two also.
The Brazilian rifle has a crest on the top of the reciever. I dont read much other than english (LOL) so Im not sure what it says but the word brazilia is definatley on it. It has a full stock with an attachment on the end of the barrel that is "gold" is this a grenade attachment?:confused:

I'll get back to ya

H.H.B
 
Honk...Honk...Boom said:
Sorry boys!

I'll get more info for ya maybe a pic or two also.
The Brazilian rifle has a crest on the top of the reciever. I dont read much other than english (LOL) so Im not sure what it says but the word brazilia is definatley on it. It has a full stock with an attachment on the end of the barrel that is "gold" is this a grenade attachment?:confused:

I'll get back to ya

H.H.B
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That sounds like a muzzle cap to me.

1. How long is the barrel? Is it 29 inches or so or is it about 24 inches?

2. What color is the receiver? Is it blued or is it bare steel (in the white)
 
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Ok I got some more info for ya!

It is a 1907 Brazilian Mauser 30-06 full wood in good not mint shape.

What do ya think/ I belive it has a shorter barrel than 29 inches but I could be wrong. It looks just like the K98. :confused:
 
if it is a brazilian 1907, i would say run, don't walk to go and buy it. sure it isn't a 1908?

as to the looking like a k98 and being in 30-06, it sounds like a M954. does it say 'fabrica de itajuba' on the siderail?

what are the manufacturers marking on the receiver? can you verify the calibre?
 
Sounds like a 1954 to me. These were made on 1908 actions by the Brazilians, weren't they?

EDIT. Oh my god, that was funny. I originally pasted a pic of a 1954 Brazilian that some guy was selling in the exchange forum, that mysteriously turned into a pic of a kid holding a beagle. I saw that and just about threw up I laughed so hard. Neat trick, however it happened.:D
 
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Brazilian 30-06

Hi
Doesn't the Brazilian 30-06 have threads on the end of the barrel?
I don't know of any Brazilian rifles in 8mm.
I have a 954 and a 968, three 1908's and am working on a 1935 7mm and a 1922. The 1922's have a smaller receiver then the 1908, 1935, 954, and 968.
I would dearly love to get the 1935 ans 1922. If there is a good one of each in a collection gathering dust I am interested.
Al
 
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Mig25 heres what I know

-The Mauser is definatley a 30-06
-Buddy tells me its a 1907 he read it off the gun?
-It does say 'fabrica de itajuba' on it
-It looks like the end of the barrel is threaded
-Full wood
-real nice shape
-Without measureing over the phone it looks like a 29 inch barrel
- HELP
 
Honk...Honk...Boom said:
Mig25 heres what I know

-The Mauser is definatley a 30-06
-Buddy tells me its a 1907 he read it off the gun?
-It does say 'fabrica de itajuba' on it
- HELP
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Without handling it, the 'fabrica de itajuba' suggests it's a Model 1908 Brazilian, made in Brazil and (MAYBE?) chambered for 30-06. If it is, there should also be the marking of Mod 08/38.30 on it. This shows it to be a Model 1908/38 and the .30 indicates it's 30 caliber for the 30-06 round.

by Jess from GunBoards 09/10/2003:

The Itajuba is the name of the Brazilian State arsenal. The 08/34 comes in a variety of styles, although all use the std 98 action. These can be found with: DWM markings, 7X57; DWM markings .30-06; Itajuba markings 7X57; Itajuba markings .30-06; BRNO markings 7X57mm. Some are stamped on the right receiver ring: Mod. 1908, others are marked Mod. 08/34, and yet others are marked Mod. 1908/34. Others are marked on the left buttstock Mod 08/34 (lightly). I have seen them in 7X57 with 1400M sights, and an Itajuba 7X57 with 2000M sights (I have both). The .30-06 versions have a longer barrel and are "usually" marked ".30" following the model designation on the right receiver ring. The side rail address will also be found to vary: Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken; Fabrica de Itajuba; Fabrica de Itajuba' Brazil; and the BRNO siderail. Unless the rifle has been rebarreled commercially, the caliber will be either 7X57 or .30-06 (.30-06 will not chamber in the 7X57). The bolts for these rifles will be found: Czech proofed, German proofed, or no proofs whatsoever except for the Itajuba serial numbering, and others just a hodge-podge of parts. The Itajuba rifles are easy enough to distingush (besides the siderail address) simply in the finish and polish of the bolts and triggerguards. The triggerguards are usually rough as hell inside, and usually, way too much steel has been removed. Haven't seen them advertised in awhile, but Spring. Sport. had a rack of the DWM 7X57's (buttstocked marked 08/34) in the showroom before they closed. Most of the stocks you'll find on these will be S. American hardwood (not a whole lot of grain, but usually a streaked-blonde beneath the grease).
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Hope this helps......

Regards,
Badger
 
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what badgerdog said.

from my understanding, itajuba never made receivers, they just reused old ones. i am skeptical about the 1907 marking, there was a brazilian 1907 (very small quantities according to the internet), so it could be possible for the receiver to be recycled at itajuba. but the odds are overwhelming that it is a 1908.
 
Honk...Honk...Boom said:
Is it still a desirable rifle to own?
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if you like it, buy it. i think the price is ballpark assuming decent shape w/ a decent bore.

personally, the refurbed brazillians don't appeal to me, the ones that i have seen were all quite rough. the original 1908's and 1935's are VERY nice.
 
Buy it

I sold one recently (stupid) and it shot EXTREMELY WELL

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It is reported that at least some of these have brittle receivers as in the case of the low numbered M1903 Springfields. The original 1908 receivers were made on the soft side with a high grade steel of the period. Rockwell hardness could range as low as c10-c14. Over years of hard use they tended to stretch, as headspace grew beyond tolerance and they became unserviceable, but they did not shatter. The ordnance people felt that the .30M2 cartridge pressure curve was too much for these actions to maintain headspace within specification for a reasonable period in issue. They decided to reheat-treat them before rebuild and this made some, at least, overly hard and brittle.

I have found this on the internet. Is this true? And if it is how does one determine if the M954 I have is safe?:(
 
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