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I have to take some pictures but this is my OLDEST Milsurp!

It is a rather old Musket, hopefully when I post some pictures someone can tell me some information on it. I'm thinking 1700-1800's.
 
A few small things so far in May................... :)

m/96 and m/38 target rifle pistol grip add-on (possibly a repro)

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Swedish "2 Slot" Cleaning Rod Extension

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Regards,
Badger
 
tiriaq said:
I imagine the extension has the tiny crown over C near the brass collar?
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I never even thought of looking...... :D

I'll do that ..........

BTW, good to see you at the show on the weekend.... :)

Regards,
Badger
 
I'm still embarrassed about forgetting your stuff.... Found a box of fresh commercial PPY 6.5x52 for my 91/41, and a box of Fiocchi 10.4mm for a friend. Wasn't the best show for size, but its always good to get together. Had a nice picnic at the little park west of Kirkfield on the way home.
 
New Ross...

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Found it in Dorchester, co-worker had it and no longer wanted it. The rear sight is something else, reminds me of an early muaser sight. There is a nifty dial just forward of the sight unit, windage adjustment of some sort, a lot of work put into that. It's in pretty nice shape actually, bore is very nice. Very light rifle, original cleaning kit in the butt trap still which is the part I like the most. $150.... Oh, there was at one time a scope mounted on it but sadly he did not have the scope
 
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where do you find this stuff???????????

:) Badger you seem to have the knack for scrounging up some neet and bizarre stuff . Was wondering were the M-38 palm swell came from? Great find. Still looking for a minty swede sniper, should have bought the No4 MKT when they were worth 700.00. Argh have a great day.

James
 
Nice find! Don't often see one with the early pattern rear sight. It would definitely be worth restoring.
 
JHC-II said:
:) Badger you seem to have the knack for scrounging up some neet and bizarre stuff . Was wondering were the M-38 palm swell came from? Great find. Still looking for a minty swede sniper, should have bought the No4 MKT when they were worth 700.00. Argh have a great day.

James
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There's a nice Swede Sniper on the Marstar used rifles page right now.
 
Claven2 said:
There's a nice Swede Sniper on the Marstar used rifles page right now.
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I looked at that one in August 2005 and the first tip off should be that it's been sitting there a very long time at $2700. I sent several emails trying to get more information based upon a set of questions I asked, plus I requested more pics. I also requested that given the high price of the piece, that I have the right of inspection and return. I finally got a brief answer from Marstar with one additional pic as follows:

FULLY MATCHING GUN
SCOPE NOT MATCHING WITH THE MOUNT
SCREWS MANGULED
SCOPE FOGGY
SORRY WE CAN'T SEND YOU THE GUN FOR A PRE-PURCHASE

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That was it..... so, in my opinion only, this rifle in the described condition is not worth anywhere near $2700. Personally, I wouldn't pay even half that asking price, but again, that's just my opinion. It might be bought as a possible shooter (scope needs to be fixed for that), not as a high end collectible. As they indicated, it's been put together with mismatched mounts and I assume when Marstar got it, they weren't sure what to call it, so they labeled it an 1896 sniper because it was originally built as a standard m/96 rifle. I'm not sure what the actual date of manufacture is on the knoxform. By looking at the scope silhouette in their single pic, it actually appears to be a Swedish m/41 (6.5 x 55mm) Sniper Rifle c/w AGA 3x65 m/44 Scope (Mfg by Carl Gustafs Stads Gevarsfaktori).

Surviving rifles with foggy AGA scopes are common, as moisture often got inside them over the years. Sometimes they can be cleaned up by a select few U.S. optical repair shops who specialize in antique scopes, but it can cost upwards of $250 U.S. (and six months) to get someone to work on them.

Edit: I'm not sure why (tiriaq or claven2 comment?), but also note the pins protruding from receiver mount in the Marstar provided pic, which should be "flush" as per right hand pic below. It's as if it's not finished, but hard to tell from just one pic?

Here's what an all correct version of the same rifle should look like. In the middle pic, note the matching scope and receiver mounts.

1916 Swedish M/41 (6.5 x 55mm) Sniper Rifle c/w AGA 3x65 m/44 Scope (Mfg by Carl Gustafs Stads Gevarsfaktori)
Rifle #394 assigned to the 21st Infantry (Kalmar Regiment from Military District #2 - Linköping)

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1916 Swedish M/41 Sniper Rifle ...... (lots more detailed pics ... click here)http://imageevent.com/badgerdog/swedishservicerifles/1916m41swedishsniper

Regards,
Badger
 
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JHC-II said:
:) Badger you seem to have the knack for scrounging up some neet and bizarre stuff . Was wondering were the M-38 palm swell came from? Great find. Still looking for a minty swede sniper, should have bought the No4 MKT when they were worth 700.00. Argh have a great day.

James
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Thanks James.... :)

It takes a lot of constant scanning the Internet and email networking amongst collectors worldwide. I think the pistol grip came out of a seller in Sweden. I believe it's a modern repro made for club shooters and not the one originally made for the m/41 sniper rifle, but the specs and fit are identical.

Regards,
Badger
 
At the very least, the protruding pins, and condition of the screw heads suggest that the mount has been removed and refitted. Look at how clean the secondary holes are. The impression is that the mount has not been assembled all that long - compare it to the rifle BadgerDog has in his collection. This raises the concern that the mount and the rifle have been recently united. Scope and mount are M/M according to the very brief description. For a premium price, there shouldn't be question marks.
At the second last Port Perry show there was a Swedish sniper, for over $1000 less, and the owner suggested the price was negotiable. I didn't examine it, so cannot comment on its condition, etc.
Incidentally, my nephew lives in Linkoping.
 
well for me: I'm officially transferring a M-305, sears .22, and a 12ga SxS in to my name today and oh last week i bought an M44 mosin nagant ill post pics of all when i get em.
ttyal
Riley
 
Tanis said:
Maybe I'm incorrect, but aren't true Swedish snipers supposed to be completely matching, from the gun to the mount to the scope?
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There are a lot of legit Miss-Matched swede snipers floating around.

Incidently that one looks alot like the madeup one that was at Milarm 2 years ago that I was 3rd in line for (for a LOT LESS than $2700).

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Tanis said:
Maybe I'm incorrect, but aren't true Swedish snipers supposed to be completely matching, from the gun to the mount to the scope?
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That's very true, when you're speaking of the m/41B sniper rifle using the German Ajack scope (until the SS stopped shipments to Sweden). It preceded the use of the AGA m/42 followed by the AGA m/44 scopes made in Sweden. I've never seen an m/41 sniper rifle mounted with either of those AGA scopes, where the scope mount set matched the actual rifle serial number, as it does on the m/41B. The bracket sets on the AGA scopes are normally matched, but the scopes themselves maintained their own serial numbers on all of the m/41b and m/41 snipers.

Here's an all matching (rifle serial number, scope receiver mount and actual scope mount) example of the m/41B.

1908 Swedish m/41B (6.5 x 55mm) Sniper Rifle c/w Ajack 4x90 1942b Scope
(Mfg by Carl Gustafs Stads Gevarsfaktori)

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1908 Swedish m/41B (6.5 x 55mm) Sniper Rifle ...... (lots more detailed pics ... click here)http://imageevent.com/badgerdog/swedishservicerifles/1908m41bswedishsniper

Regards,
Badger
 
As far as M/M goes, I wouldn't be surprised if armourers didn't use parts from one set to repair or complete another, particularly when dealing with items in limited issue like sniper equipments. I would expect though, that serial numbers would be changed, to demonstrate that the pieces had been properly fitted together. When these vintage sniper rifles were in service, I am sure that budgets were rather frugal, and servicable equipment would have been retained and reused, rather than being replaced. This isn't a comment about Swedish practices, but I would suspect that there would be little difference from nation to nation. Problem is that sniper sets have escalated dramatically in value, and it can be worthwhile to assemble bits into complete units. Look at all the recently assembled MNs in the US.
 
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