Measuring .22LR Ammuntion

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Most shooters probably never measure their .22LR ammunition. Most shooters probably understand that the less expensive bulk ammo is not as consistent in terms of exact dimensions, weight, rim thickness -- and most obviously in the target results downrange. They instead rely on the knowledge that generally speaking match ammo is much more consistent in all the ways mentioned, and in target results. In fact shooters who use match ammo assume or expect that the more expensive it is the more consistent it will be in all ways.

There are several measurements, at least three potentially significant ones, that can be made with regard to .22LR ammo. What follows here is not to argue which is most important to what ultimately counts in .22LR ammo -- consistent accuracy. It is instead a foray into what may make a difference in accuracy and what some shooters measure in their pursuit of it. I may have things wrong at times and of course welcome corrections and comments.

First is measuring and sorting .22LR ammo by rim thickness variation, which has been discussed in this forum in recent threads. The fact is that rim thickness can vary a great deal, especially in bulk ammo. Mid-grade ammo has rim thickness variation up to 0.006". High end ammo, such as Eley Tenex or Lapua Midas, generally has much tighter tolerances. Shooters who measure rim thickness usually sort the ammo by different ranges of thickness into which the ammo falls. There are various methods that are used to make rim measurements, from commercially available products to innovative do-it-yourself alternatives.






I won't make any comments here about how important or useful measuring rim thickness may be, except to note that serious shooters who use high end ammo may have done it in the past, when this idea was first popularized several decades ago, but generally do not do it now.

A second measurement some shooters make, and which has also been discussed a little in this forum, is measuring base-to-ogive. This measurement shows that there is variation in .22LR ammo from the base of the rim to the ogive of the bullet, a measurement that is probably more familiar to centerfire hand loaders. In .22LR ammo variances in rim base-to-ogive lengths of .025". Top tier ammo is much more consistent, with 80% falling within .008" rim base-to-ogive length spread, according to a 2013 report in AccurateShooter dot com.

There are various methods to measure base-to-ogive length, including commercially available gauges and homemade ones. Below is one made specifically for measuring base to ogive.



How effective is measuring base-to-ogive length? I don't know. But here's some information showing results from one shooter using one rifle and sorted ammo. You can draw your own conclusions, if any.



This information is taken from h t t p://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2013/02/g3-rimfire-rim-thickness-tool-and-base-to-ogive-length-gauge/

A third measurement concerns case-to-bullet concentricity. It may be familiar to centerfire reloaders and perhaps to .17HMR shooters, but it is not often discussed with regard to .22LR ammunition. I'll give some information about that in another post.
 
A good post. Thank you. I had another member here make a prototype combining the rimfire thickness gauge and the base to ogive measurement gauge in one tool. I haven't tried it yet, but the quality looks to be very good. I have a Waltz Resizing Die which should aid in concentricity, in the very least it will make some nasty hollow points. I'm looking forward to experimenting with everything once the snow is gone.
 
Good post, grauhanen. The Accurate Shooter test sorted by both rim thickness and base-ogive. When I recently sorted base-ogive, I did not sort rim thickness. I could tell a difference in the force it took to close the bolt on various rounds as I was shooting, from easy to firm (rim crush). Indicates to me a variability in rim thickness, despite having the same base-ogive length. By not sorting rims, I ended up with a variety of thick rims + short bullets and thin rims + long bullets, perhaps invalidating my test.
 
I'll chime in with a few thoughts. The rim thickness has an impact on headspace, which has been noted in several different forums to have an effect on rimfire accuracy. Generally speaking, the trend of thought seems to be that .22 rifles with tighter headspace are more accurate, everything else being equal. Obviously, the best way to test that is to take a rifle with a headspace dimension that's on the generous side of the spec and set the shoulder back, reducing the headspace to the tighter side of the specification.
If all you've changed is the headspace dimension, and the rifle shoots measurably better, the results are obvious.
What I haven't seen linked yet is the fact that rim thickness and headspace also has a bearing on the second topic Glenn commented on, the base-to-ogive dimension. That measurement directly correlates to how far the bullet "jumps" before it engages the rifling.
If a cartridge has a thinner rim, that means it has more room to move back and forth in the chamber (within limits of the extractor claw), and has more "jump" before it engages the rifling as a result. That's assuming that the case is pushed back hard into the bolt face as the round is fired. This is the same effect as a cartridge with a shorter base-to-ogive measurement.

I do reload center fire cartridges, with a bias toward accuracy.
In my experience, while the base-to-ogive dimension is certainly something I pay attention to, a few thousandths of an inch one way or another doesn't affect center fire accuracy very much. To be clear, my unofficial tolerance for base-to-ogive variance is 0.003". As an example, my standard base-to-ogive dimension is 2.200". If I check a loaded round and it's 2.198" I don't bat an eye at it.
Note that my centre-fire headspace is set by the cartridge shoulder position, and is normally within 0.002" of being identical from round to round, so pretty consistent compared to rimfire.

I tested one of my rifles (Tikka in .243 Win) a while ago for sensitivity to seating depth. 20 rounds were loaded in different lengths, from 0.005" to the lands all the way to 0.130" to the lands in four 0.040" increments. Everything else was identical with regard to primer used, powder charge, etc. I didn't load any rounds long enough to actually touch or jam into the lands, simply because I had no intention of continuing that way.

That rifle shot best with the bullet close to the lands, which didn't really surprise me, most rifles are like that. What did surprise me was how little difference a 0.040" change in seating depth made in group size.
In fact, there was virtually no difference between 0.005" and 0.040" jump, the 0.085" jump group was somewhat bigger, and the 0.130" jump group was slightly bigger again.

After seeing that, I typically load for a 0.015" jump these days. Jamming a bullet into the lands and being unable to eject a loaded round is a PIA I don't need. I've seen a couple shooters dump a case full of powder into their trigger groups at a match because of that. Firing the stuck round isn't always an option.

I don't know how base-to-ogive sensitive a .22 is compared to the centerfire, but I think I'll try a two-stage sorting experiment this spring. First will be a rim thickness sort, then each of those groups will get checked for base-to-ogive consistency since I think the two are closely linked.

You posted while I was still typing, Rabid.. it seems we're thinking along the same lines about the correlation between rim thickness, headspace, and base-to-ogive dimension.

Obviously, since it's generally accepted that tight headspace is "better", thicker rims will get preference over thinner ones. If the centerfire trend with accuracy being better with the bullet starting close to the lands holds true for rimfire also, best accuracy within a given sample SHOULD be realized with thick-rimmed cartridges having the longest base-to-ogive dimension.

The problem I see with this is having several different "batches" of ammunition. To be generous, if this works, let's say 35 out of 50 rounds of Center-X fall into a group that shoots noticeably better than the rest. That means that the price of 50 rounds of that ammo just jumped 30 percent, because who wants to shoot "sub-standard" match ammo? I'm reminded of the Seinfeld episode with the muffin tops.. nobody wanted the "stumps"!
 
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If 35 out of 50 rounds are excellent, the other 15 may be acceptable if shot together for long range, plinking, or at the very least fouling the barrel after cleaning.
 
SO Grauhanen, what do YOU do? what should I do? All of the above? Just one of the three?

Has anyone tracked how reducing variation in any of those measurements correlates to or improves accuracy?
 
What about ES and SD. It’s great if your rims are sorted out and base to ogive is great but without a tight ES then it’s all for nothing.
I like to start with the consistency of the ammo then do rim thickness and then base to ogive.
 
Very good post. Thanks.
I love that life and sport that bring something new to think about every day.
Thanks to all those nice peoples sharing thoughts and knowledge.

I was juggling with that rim thickness thing for a moment.
Since i received a new 457 MTR on friday , i feel it's time to get into it.
Instead of spending another $100 on a measuring tool i look around what i got.
I taped a Hornady .24 bullet comparator insert over a .25 and that's it.

...what...? I should measure length too...:rolleyes:


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To pick up where I left off in the first post, the third .22LR ammo measurement concerns case-to-bullet concentricity. The information for this is drawn from an article written by Frank Tirrell, "Concentricity Revisited: More on Case-to-Bullet Concentricity and its Effect on 22 Rimfire Accuracy" originally published in the Summer 2005 issue of Small Caliber News reproduced here h t t p://nielsonbrothersarms.com/Tirrell%20article.htm

Tirrell says that there are two alignment problems that impact accuracy with rimfire rifles. The first deals with the "dimensional problems associated with both rimfire chambers and ammunition."

Tirrell explains it like this: "According to SAAMI specifications (the standard manufacturing dimensions used by all firearms manufacturers), the sporting chamber is .818 of and inch long with forward diameter of .227. This chamber is used in all production rifles expressly manufactured for sport shooting. Specifications for the match chamber or match rifle are quite different. The chamber is shortened to .643 of an inch, and its front diameter is reduced to .2248 of an inch.
"SAAMI cartridge specifications further state that cases used in both production sport ammunition and match ammunition are identical in size with a length of .643 of an inch and a diameter of .221 of an inch. Comparing chamber specs to ammunitions specs, it is clear that the loaded round in the sporting chamber is never even close to being in alignment with the bore. This chamber is not only too long but too large, both of which are detrimental to superior accuracy. However, the same round placed in the much shorter match chamber is automatically centered or aligned to the bore by the relocated throat. This is good if improved accuracy is your goal."


This illustrates why match chambered rifles are usually more accurate that rifles with sporter chambers. However, Tirrell notes, there is a problem that not even the match chamber can adequately tame or solve. Tirrell believes "the ideal situation for superior accuracy is when the projectile is aligned exactly in the center of the bore." The problem is that .22LR ammo is not consistently aligned that way. Centerfire shooters are no doubt familiar with this kind of problem when loading centerfire ammo. Indeed, shooters who use .17HMR ammo may have noted that sometimes when rounds are rolled on a flat surface there is some wobble in the bullet tip. That is a very obvious issue. What happens when it occurs, even slightly with .22LR ammo? According to Tirrell,

"This is the elusive problem that shooters have been unable to control. One might say, “So what? If the match chamber is going to align it in the bore anyway, why should I be concerned? Besides, there is no way to straighten it out anyway.”
"Pay close attention here because this is important. It has been proven repeatedly that a misaligned projectile in the best of chambers will not shoot well. F.W. Mann, Harold Vaughn and hundreds of others have performed repeated tests confirming that a bullet that starts crooked in the bore does not straighten out on its trip down the rifling. It exits one side first from the bore, then escaping gasses tip it even further off its intended centerline path. The projectile is propelled into a large gyroscopic spin. The unwanted result is larger groups."


It seems .22LR ammo has some degree of runout or wobble. Tirrell reports of a test of eight different kinds of ammo, 50 rounds of each (no brand names of the ammo are given) that were tested for runout (or wobble). The results:

3.35% were found loose in the case
8.5% were found to have .000 runout
36% were found to have .001 runout
31% were found to have .002 runout
11% were found to have .003 runout
4.5% were found to have .004 runout
1.6% were found to have .005 runout
.75% were found to have .006 runout
.37% were found to have .007 runout
.25% were found to have .008 runout

How to measure runout with .22LR ammo? There's an app for that. No, not really (of course there might be; I have no idea). But there is a gauge for that.



How did runout affect accuracy? Tirrell used a Winchester 52 to shoot Eley EPS ammo that was sorted according to projectile-to-case runout in variations of .001 of an inch. The distance was 50 yards. Below are the results.

Runout .001 25 shots .214 agg.
Runout .002 25 shots .227 agg.
Runout .003 25 shots .241 agg.
Runout .004 25 shots .311 agg.
Runout .005 25 shots .417 agg.

Clearly from the results of this test, there seems to be significant improvement in aggregate group size. If these kind of results can be repeated, this may be a way to improve overall accuracy.

Which of the three methods of measuring .22LR ammunition, if any, produces the best results? There seems to be evidence that measuring and sorting by rim base-to-ogive can yield improved results, and so, too, for measuring for concentricity, that is projectile-to-case runout. There seems to be support for sorting by rim thickness resulting in improved results, particularly for inexpensive ammo. I don't claim to know if it does or if it is worth the time since I don't shoot bulk ammo.

Am I going to be measuring and sorting .22LR ammo? I doubt it. I don't see myself taking all the time that would be needed to sort ammo. Perhaps if there are more reports that one or another of the measuring methods can help improve results to a significant degree I might change my point of view. What I think will help me improve my shooting results is to practice more, to shoot more. That is something I like to do, much more than measuring and sorting. I should also quit buying more rifles and spend more time with the keepers that I have and become more well-acquainted with them.
 
Really cool post, grauhanen. Lots of stuff I didn’t know about!
I think it would be really interesting to have a bunch of .22lr ammunition sorted out with all the variables listed about and see it makes a significant difference through a match rifle.l in some sort of jig setup.

I had no idea that a sporting chamber was so much longer than a match chamber! I wonder if you cut a sporting chamber down on a lathe to .643 if you would see a change in accuracy.
 
And since we didn't already have enough to think about, don't forget that all .22 ammunition is crimped to hold the bullet in the case, to the best of my knowledge. How consistent is that crimp? Same tension from round to round? Equal on all edges?
 
I started some sorting today, with Federal Gold Medal from Bass Pro. $4.99 for 50 hardly seems like premium ammo, but it shoots reasonably well through my CZ.
I sorted for rim thickness first, it varied between 0.045" and 0.047". That's fairly tight tolerance IMO. Nothing went in the reject pile as a result of that.
I used an empty fired .223 case as a measuring fixture, the .22 rimfire round slips neatly inside and is supported by the edge of the .223 case mouth. You simply zero your caliper on the .223 case, the measurement with the .22 round in the case mouth is your rim thickness.

Next up was measuring base to "ogive".
The thing with .22 ammo is that the actual bullet ogive doesn't touch the rifling, only the driving bands do to the best of my knowledge.
My ogive gauge is 0.217" dia, the same size as the SAAMI .22 LR spec calls out for land diameter. The hole in the ogive gauge rested on the radius between the actual bullet ogive and the driving band. Considering the variety of bullet profiles and driving band types, it's going to be hard to compare apples to apples.

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Of the 40 rounds I measured today, 8 were shorter than the majority, 27 of which measured 0.758"-0.759" from base to driving band, and 5 were longer by a couple thousandths of an inch, measuring 0.761" to 0.762".

Frankly, I was surprised to see the measurements that close to the same for what is really not expensive ammunition at all. I think there's more at work here causing flyers than we can see externally, from what I saw today with the Federal GM. I don't have equipment to measure bullet runout, but that is a factor too, as is quality and quantity of primer compound and powder, brass crimp, bullet shape and consistency, the list is endless.
Having said that, when the weather improves and we get "normal" shooting conditions for .22, I'll shoot the sorted ammo and post the results.

I've got some more to sort also, everything from CCI Blazer and SV up through Eley Tenex. I've not tried the Tenex through this rifle yet, I'm half afraid it'll really shoot well with it. It would be unusual for a CZ to do really well with an Eley product IME, most seem to prefer SK or Lapua. My go-to match ammunition has been Center-X, though the last lot I've had hasn't been impressive through the 452.
 
0.045-0.047" for the rims? Seems awfully thick, No-Go gauge being 0.046". I did a full sort of a brick of BBM HV for rim thickness and base-ogive. Most rims were 0.039-0.0405", just a handful of outliers in 0.038" and 0.041". After all that effort, I saw absolutely no difference in the target results compared to shooting unsorted out-of-the-box. Maybe it just wasn't the day for that ammo, all 3 rifles I brought to the range gave a below average performance. Bullet run out may be a more significant element to sort than rim thickness or base-ogive, or perhaps there are other factors that cannot be sorted for without destroying the round. If the ammo is not consistent with regards to those other factors, then the sorting that can be done seems like a waste of time to me.
 
When considering the various measurements under discussion, one of the questions that occurs to me concerns the degree to which we can be confident of the measurements we obtain. First, let me say that I'm not terribly experienced in taking accurate, reliable, and repeatable measurements. Many of us use the relatively inexpensive digital calipers now widely available. Are they sufficiently accurate and repeatable enough to take the measurements that concern us here? For example, the manufacturer of the digital caliper recently on sale at Canadian Tire for half price at about $20 may say it is accurate to 0.001". Does that mean that each time it produces a measurement we can be confident that it is indeed accurate and that repeated measurement of the same distance will always give the same measurement? In other words, will the inexpensive calipers give the same results for the various measurements each time if we measure the same batch or box of ammo three or more times?

As I say, I don't have the experience to make that call. But when comparing measurements that are one thousandth of an inch apart it would be worthwhile to know that the measurements are reliable, that is to say accurate and repeatable.

In any case, it is worth noting some of the "official" dimensions of .22LR ammunition and .22LR chambers. Here are the specifications from SAAMI (Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute). Readers should note the not insignificant differences between Match and Sporting chamber dimensions. Match specs followed by Sporting below.



 
When considering the various measurements under discussion, one of the questions that occurs to me concerns the degree to which we can be confident of the measurements we obtain. First, let me say that I'm not terribly experienced in taking accurate, reliable, and repeatable measurements. Many of us use the relatively inexpensive digital calipers now widely available. Are they sufficiently accurate and repeatable enough to take the measurements that concern us here? For example, the manufacturer of the digital caliper recently on sale at Canadian Tire for half price at about $20 may say it is accurate to 0.001". Does that mean that each time it produces a measurement we can be confident that it is indeed accurate and that repeated measurement of the same distance will always give the same measurement? In other words, will the inexpensive calipers give the same results for the various measurements each time if we measure the same batch or box of ammo three or more times?

As I say, I don't have the experience to make that call. But when comparing measurements that are one thousandth of an inch apart it would be worthwhile to know that the measurements are reliable, that is to say accurate and repeatable.

In any case, it is worth noting some of the "official" dimensions of .22LR ammunition and .22LR chambers. Here are the specifications from SAAMI (Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute). Readers should note the not insignificant differences between Match and Sporting chamber dimensions. Match specs followed by Sporting below.






There's a good reason why you don't see the cheapy calipers in most workplaces, they're designed for and priced to appeal to hobbyists and homeowners.
I have a set of Mitutoyo digital calipers at work, provided by the employer. If I used them to produce documented work they would be checked for calibration on a yearly basis.
I don't use the cheap calipers for reloading either, my OCD would go off the charts.. I use a set of Mitutoyo dial calipers, which weren't made yesterday.
I have some test fixtures that I can use to verify whether the calipers are within normal limits for error, they get checked occasionally.
I'm fairly confident in the results.
Rabid's observation about the rim thickness of the Federal ammo may be well founded, the question becomes "Where do you measure rim thickness?"
The .223 case I used for a holder fits quite snugly over the .22 case, so the thickness I'm measuring is taken from the flat surface of the case head to the area where the rim flares out from the case wall. That's not a true 90° angle, so there's a bit of extra thickness in that area.
 
There's a good reason why you don't see the cheapy calipers in most workplaces, they're designed for and priced to appeal to hobbyists and homeowners.
I have a set of Mitutoyo digital calipers at work, provided by the employer. If I used them to produce documented work they would be checked for calibration on a yearly basis.
I don't use the cheap calipers for reloading either, my OCD would go off the charts.. I use a set of Mitutoyo dial calipers, which weren't made yesterday.
I have some test fixtures that I can use to verify whether the calipers are within normal limits for error, they get checked occasionally.
I'm fairly confident in the results.
Rabid's observation about the rim thickness of the Federal ammo may be well founded, the question becomes "Where do you measure rim thickness?"
The .223 case I used for a holder fits quite snugly over the .22 case, so the thickness I'm measuring is taken from the flat surface of the case head to the area where the rim flares out from the case wall. That's not a true 90° angle, so there's a bit of extra thickness in that area.

Mitutoyo is a good name, not like you got them from Princess Auto, I see a lot of machinists at work who use them.
Your rim thickness measurements didn’t have that wide of a spread, as long as it’s an accurate measurement it should be close enough for sorting ammunition imo
 
When I'm sorting ammo by rim thickness I roll the ammo in the gauge to see if there is a variation in the rim at any point.
 
There's a good reason why you don't see the cheapy calipers in most workplaces, they're designed for and priced to appeal to hobbyists and homeowners.
I have a set of Mitutoyo digital calipers at work, provided by the employer. If I used them to produce documented work they would be checked for calibration on a yearly basis.
I don't use the cheap calipers for reloading either, my OCD would go off the charts.. I use a set of Mitutoyo dial calipers, which weren't made yesterday.
I have some test fixtures that I can use to verify whether the calipers are within normal limits for error, they get checked occasionally.
I'm fairly confident in the results.
Rabid's observation about the rim thickness of the Federal ammo may be well founded, the question becomes "Where do you measure rim thickness?"
The .223 case I used for a holder fits quite snugly over the .22 case, so the thickness I'm measuring is taken from the flat surface of the case head to the area where the rim flares out from the case wall. That's not a true 90° angle, so there's a bit of extra thickness in that area.

The question about measurement accuracy was a general one since most people don't have top end calipers or other measuring devices.

Where to measure rim thickness is a very good question as there is evidence that rim thickness is not necessarily the same when measured at different locations on the same rim.
 
Yes, the Canadian Tire digital caliper is accurate and repeatable. 2 years later, it still measures my Go Gauge at 0.043". But... there is a degree of operator influence that may cause measurement errors when dealing with high levels of precision. If I were to vary the pressure I apply to the vernier caliper, I may obtain readings of 0.042" or 0.44". I zero it with what feels like a comfortable and consistent pressure, and check my zero multiple times before I go take a measurement. A vernier caliper is a tool for general precision, but when extreme precision is required a micrometer that reads to 0.0001" is used. The micrometer includes a ratchet mechanism so that consistent torque is applied to the object being measured, as I have indicated before a variance in pressure can skew readings + or - as much as 0.0015". I have the Mastercraft micrometer that I use to measure slugs from the barrel, and it is repeatable to the 0.0001". I will measure 3 times to confirm a reading.

What's a thou or two matter, anyway? The cheap tools are definitely accurate and repeatable enough to catch major deviations from the average measurement, like a 0.035" rim when most are 0.040". If my sorted rims range from 0.0395"-0.0405" due to the inaccuracies of my measurement, that is still a darn sight better than the 0.0375"-0.042" range the rims are out-of-the-box.

On rim thickness, some chambers include a slight recess in the breech face, so the rim will sit 0.001"-0.002" lower than it is thick, effectively enlarging headspace. Eley rims are noted to be thinner than say Lapua or RWS, combining this with a chamber recess, may give some insight into why many CZ rifles don't "like" Eley. Although... My 455 Full Stock "likes" Eley HV HP quite well (1/2" challenge certified), and did poorly with BBM HV (dynamite in my custom 455), so one must be cautious with such generalizations.

 
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