Meechance douche bags at it again..illegal outfitting

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This has been the 4th time these scumbags have been robbing from the people of Sask....When is enough enough.

Red Pheasant Reserve get you sh!t together and punish these low lifes...they only bring shame to your community and all First Nation people.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/sask-illegal-outfitting-fines-1.4167296

Four Saskatchewan men have been fined $71,460 over the last three years, the province announced Monday as a three-year illegal outfitting investigation concluded.

Charles Meechance, Gerald Meechance, Neal Meechance and Steven Pritchard were under investigation based on an October 2014 incident where the men were guiding two Americans and had illegally hunted a mule buck.

The four men are from the North Battleford, Sask., area.

Charles Meechance pleaded guilty to illegal outfitting, illegal hunting and providing false information in November 2016. He was fined $10,920.

Last month, Gerald Meechance, Neal Meechance and Steven Pritchard were found guilty of illegal outfitting, aiding and abetting, and providing false information.

Gerald Meechance was also found guilty of unlawfully falsifying and applying for an export permit. He was fined $33,800.

Neal Meechance was fined $15,820 and Steven Pritchard was fined $10,920.

After court proceedings, the four men had the following conditions placed on them for five years by the province:

Not be in the company of anyone involved in any aspect of hunting other than on the lands of a First Nation in Saskatchewan or in the company of another treaty person hunting for subsistence.
Provide any details or other information as requested by the Ministry of Environment on all animals killed while outfitting.
Ensure all clients attend a Ministry of Environment office in person and swear an affidavit that all information and details of the hunt are true.
Obtain an export permit for every animal harvested by his or her client.
Gerald Meechance, Neal Meechance and Steven Pritchard also have the condition:

Not be in any vehicle in which there is an un-encased firearm except on the lands of a First Nation in Saskatchewan or in the company of another treaty person hunting for subsistence.
 
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"After court proceedings, the four men had the following conditions placed on them for five years by the province:

Not be in the company of anyone involved in any aspect of hunting other than on the lands of a First Nation in Saskatchewan or in the company of another treaty person hunting for subsistence.
Provide any details or other information as requested by the Ministry of Environment on all animals killed while outfitting.
Ensure all clients attend a Ministry of Environment office in person and swear an affidavit that all information and details of the hunt are true.
Obtain an export permit for every animal harvested by his or her client.

Gerald Meechance, Neal Meechance and Steven Pritchard also have the condition:

Not be in any vehicle in which there is an un-encased firearm except on the lands of a First Nation in Saskatchewan or in the company of another treaty person hunting for subsistence."



So in other words, they're laughing their asses off over a glass of whiskey right now. How about some actual penalties? Like a hunting BAN for five years, oh wait, that'd be against their "rights". FFS.
 
The only way to stop them, is to put them behind bars. We need to put them to work in a chain gang, and credit them $10 per hour until they pay off their fines.
 
It's a joke. They will never pay their fines, or spend
a day in jail. The "ban" means nothing because they can get another Indian to ride along. The clients even get to export their trophies? That's not normal, when laws are broken.
 
It's not just Red Pheasant, that needs to step up. Can someone identify what sovereignity has been granted to Red Pheasant, to apply justice to these individuals? When Mike from Canmore finally gets busted, will there be an outcry that the people of Canmore should get control of Mike? Can the people of Canmore apply justice to Mike, as what is suggested that the people of Red Pheasant should be doing to these perpetrators?

Residential schools, amidst many other measures and ploys, have sought to destroy First Nations, since the beginning of the Confederation of Canada. Yet then people say that the First Nations should deal with their own. Makes me shake my head. There used to be law lodges, where activities such as these would be addressed within the community. Sadly, with the systematic dismantling attempts against First Nations culture, these processes and traditions are all but nearly gone.

The courts imposed fines and sanctions. The COURTS and justice system also need to step up. Many of the imposed limitations are not protected by treaty. Not Red Pheasants problem. But, if they (perpetrators) can't re-offend, then that isn't lawyers, crown prosecutor, judge, RCMP, etc., maintaining their line of work. And why can people, from other countries, seek (unfit) individuals in Canada to assist them, in hunting activities? If we have species decline problems, why are foreigners even allowed to hunt here?

This is a common theme. The justice system, when examined, is a beast that is meant to feed itself. Been there, done that. You never ever finish your sentence, when you finish your sentence. There is always parole, probation, conditions. Some way to ensure you can be snared back in to the system. And the big wheel can keep on turning. And yes, I am speaking from experience.

Not that I don't agree with the OP's sentiment that Red Pheasant needs to address these individuals. That should happen inside ANY community. That is a given, the OP is correct.

There are people out there, in any given major center, that know of wrongdoings going on, and just turn a blind eye, don't want to get involved. Don't want to be dragged into the process. I've never heard anyone be excited for being chosen for jury duty.

There's not just the perpetrators that were caught and charged, doing something wrong here. What they did is wrong - no question. But there is a whole pile of other questionable goings on, that aren't being questioned by anyone. I have a suspicion that I know why that is the case.
 
Sunchild2071 said:
It's not just Red Pheasant, that needs to step up. Can someone identify what sovereignity has been granted to Red Pheasant, to apply justice to these individuals? When Mike from Canmore finally gets busted, will there be an outcry that the people of Canmore should get control of Mike? Can the people of Canmore apply justice to Mike, as what is suggested that the people of Red Pheasant should be doing to these perpetrators?

Residential schools, amidst many other measures and ploys, have sought to destroy First Nations, since the beginning of the Confederation of Canada. Yet then people say that the First Nations should deal with their own. Makes me shake my head. There used to be law lodges, where activities such as these would be addressed within the community. Sadly, with the systematic dismantling attempts against First Nations culture, these processes and traditions are all but nearly gone.

The courts imposed fines and sanctions. The COURTS and justice system also need to step up. Many of the imposed limitations are not protected by treaty. Not Red Pheasants problem. But, if they (perpetrators) can't re-offend, then that isn't lawyers, crown prosecutor, judge, RCMP, etc., maintaining their line of work. And why can people, from other countries, seek (unfit) individuals in Canada to assist them, in hunting activities? If we have species decline problems, why are foreigners even allowed to hunt here?

This is a common theme. The justice system, when examined, is a beast that is meant to feed itself. Been there, done that. You never ever finish your sentence, when you finish your sentence. There is always parole, probation, conditions. Some way to ensure you can be snared back in to the system. And the big wheel can keep on turning. And yes, I am speaking from experience.

Not that I don't agree with the OP's sentiment that Red Pheasant needs to address these individuals. That should happen inside ANY community. That is a given, the OP is correct.

There are people out there, in any given major center, that know of wrongdoings going on, and just turn a blind eye, don't want to get involved. Don't want to be dragged into the process. I've never heard anyone be excited for being chosen for jury duty.

There's not just the perpetrators that were caught and charged, doing something wrong here. What they did is wrong - no question. But there is a whole pile of other questionable goings on, that aren't being questioned by anyone. I have a suspicion that I know why that is the case.
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You forgot to play the race card.
 
Sunchild2071 said:
It's not just Red Pheasant, that needs to step up. Can someone identify what sovereignity has been granted to Red Pheasant, to apply justice to these individuals? When Mike from Canmore finally gets busted, will there be an outcry that the people of Canmore should get control of Mike? Can the people of Canmore apply justice to Mike, as what is suggested that the people of Red Pheasant should be doing to these perpetrators?

Residential schools, amidst many other measures and ploys, have sought to destroy First Nations, since the beginning of the Confederation of Canada. Yet then people say that the First Nations should deal with their own. Makes me shake my head. There used to be law lodges, where activities such as these would be addressed within the community. Sadly, with the systematic dismantling attempts against First Nations culture, these processes and traditions are all but nearly gone.

The courts imposed fines and sanctions. The COURTS and justice system also need to step up. Many of the imposed limitations are not protected by treaty. Not Red Pheasants problem. But, if they (perpetrators) can't re-offend, then that isn't lawyers, crown prosecutor, judge, RCMP, etc., maintaining their line of work. And why can people, from other countries, seek (unfit) individuals in Canada to assist them, in hunting activities? If we have species decline problems, why are foreigners even allowed to hunt here?

This is a common theme. The justice system, when examined, is a beast that is meant to feed itself. Been there, done that. You never ever finish your sentence, when you finish your sentence. There is always parole, probation, conditions. Some way to ensure you can be snared back in to the system. And the big wheel can keep on turning. And yes, I am speaking from experience.

Not that I don't agree with the OP's sentiment that Red Pheasant needs to address these individuals. That should happen inside ANY community. That is a given, the OP is correct.

There are people out there, in any given major center, that know of wrongdoings going on, and just turn a blind eye, don't want to get involved. Don't want to be dragged into the process. I've never heard anyone be excited for being chosen for jury duty.

There's not just the perpetrators that were caught and charged, doing something wrong here. What they did is wrong - no question. But there is a whole pile of other questionable goings on, that aren't being questioned by anyone. I have a suspicion that I know why that is the case.
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Treaty 6.

http://www.jamessmithcreenation.com/downloads/TREATY6TEXT.pdf


It's not just Red Pheasant, that needs to step up. Can someone identify what sovereignity has been granted to Red Pheasant, to apply justice to these individuals? When Mike from Canmore finally gets busted, will there be an outcry that the people of Canmore should get control of Mike? Can the people of Canmore apply justice to Mike, as what is suggested that the people of Red Pheasant should be doing to these perpetrators?
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And the undersigned Chiefs on their own behalf and on behalf of all other Indians inhabiting the tract within ceded, do hereby solemnly promise and engage to strictly observe this treaty, and also to conduct and behave themselves as good and loyal subjects of Her Majesty the Queen.

"They promise and engage that they will in all respects obey and abide by the law, and they will maintain peace and good order between each other, and also between themselves and other tribes of Indians, and between themselves and others of Her Majesty's subjects, whether Indians or whites, now inhabiting or hereafter to inhabit any part of the said ceded tracts, and that they will not molest the person or property of any inhabitant of such ceded tracts, or the property of Her Majesty the Queen, or interfere with or trouble any person passing or travelling through the said tracts, or any part thereof, and that they will aid and assist the officers of Her Majesty in bringing to justice and punishment any Indian offending against the stipulations of this treaty, or infringing the laws in force in the country so ceded."

It would seem that obeying the law; up to and including turning in the offenders is a basic part of the treaty.

First nation? There is no such thing here anymore; if there ever was. The day that treaty was signed all Indians became subjects of the crown and nothing else. Not a nation, subjects. Just like, you know, everyone else.

" and also to conduct and behave themselves as good and loyal subjects of Her Majesty the Queen."

"Her Majesty further agrees with Her said Indians that they, the said Indians, shall have right to pursue their avocations of hunting and fishing throughout the tract surrendered as hereinbefore described, subject to such regulations as may from time to time be made by Her Government of Her Dominion of Canada, and saving and excepting such tracts as may from time to time be required or taken up for settlement, mining, lumbering or other purposes by Her said Government of the Dominion of Canada, or by any of the subjects thereof duly authorized therefor by the said Government.
"

Seems hunting rights were never absolute in the first place. Settlement, mining and lumbering takes care of most of it, and "other purposes" would take care of the rest.
 
skhunter said:
You forgot to play the race card.
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What race card? I'm pretty sure the jist of my post is including the idea that if there is penalty imposed upon them, it should be enforced.

Dogleg said:
Treaty 6.

http://www.jamessmithcreenation.com/downloads/TREATY6TEXT.pdf




And the undersigned Chiefs on their own behalf and on behalf of all other Indians inhabiting the tract within ceded, do hereby solemnly promise and engage to strictly observe this treaty, and also to conduct and behave themselves as good and loyal subjects of Her Majesty the Queen.

"They promise and engage that they will in all respects obey and abide by the law, and they will maintain peace and good order between each other, and also between themselves and other tribes of Indians, and between themselves and others of Her Majesty's subjects, whether Indians or whites, now inhabiting or hereafter to inhabit any part of the said ceded tracts, and that they will not molest the person or property of any inhabitant of such ceded tracts, or the property of Her Majesty the Queen, or interfere with or trouble any person passing or travelling through the said tracts, or any part thereof, and that they will aid and assist the officers of Her Majesty in bringing to justice and punishment any Indian offending against the stipulations of this treaty, or infringing the laws in force in the country so ceded."

It would seem that obeying the law; up to and including turning in the offenders is a basic part of the treaty.

(And I mentioned that, along with the idea that the fines/punishments judicially decided, should be enforced. "Aid and assist" and "turning in" are different worlds. I see nothing in the excerpt you have chosen which identifies the sovereignity to impart justice upon their own community members. Everyone is supposed to obey the law. You, me, others.)

First nation? There is no such thing here anymore; if there ever was. The day that treaty was signed all Indians became subjects of the crown and nothing else. Not a nation, subjects. Just like, you know, everyone else.

(So "Just like, you know, everyone else" that imposes punishments upon members of their communities?)

" and also to conduct and behave themselves as good and loyal subjects of Her Majesty the Queen."

"Her Majesty further agrees with Her said Indians that they, the said Indians, shall have right to pursue their avocations of hunting and fishing throughout the tract surrendered as hereinbefore described, subject to such regulations as may from time to time be made by Her Government of Her Dominion of Canada, and saving and excepting such tracts as may from time to time be required or taken up for settlement, mining, lumbering or other purposes by Her said Government of the Dominion of Canada, or by any of the subjects thereof duly authorized therefor by the said Government.
"

Seems hunting rights were never absolute in the first place. Settlement, mining and lumbering takes care of most of it, and "other purposes" would take care of the rest.
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You missed a whole bunch of parts, BTW. Those ones are important, also. And irrelevant to my point/assertion that the justice system is also failing miserably here, in doing anything but preserving it's function and longevity. It is very good at that, but it would seem that most Canadians fail to criticize it.

But forget all that for a second, and take a real life example, that happened this week.

There is a small group of people I am with. Many are family. To have the sovereignty to be able to do what is suggested in the OP, is a goal we have been trying to reach, for years, decades, actually. So this past weekend, one of us was coming into Canada, from the USA, with his tractor in tow, to help us work on erecting a ceremonial lodge, for traditional purposes. CBSA saw fit to deny him entry to Canada, since he was coming up to "work". The tractor was denied entry, also. For our safety (It is brand new). We don't get paid for what we do. We do it for our community. We want to drive the drugs, alcohol, and disorder out. We are tired of that, and have been for years. The same treaty excerpted above notes who is supposed to "strictly enforce" that (no intoxicants on reserves). Since that party has failed to do their part, we are trying to do that. Traditionally; as was done before. We are striving for that sovereignty to be able to control these matters. Somehow, the fact that we wish to work together to achieve this goal must be some threat, to Canada. So a planned "work bee", like so many other communities enjoy, and find productive in overall goals, was squashed (temporarily). We are trying to get there; we do not take funds from anywhere to do this. Yet it seems that it is not allowed to pool our private resources that we have, to get to this goal. Trying to do exactly what the OP suggests Red Pheasant should do.

But Red Pheasant should take care of these individuals? Did I get that right?
 
You don't need sovereignty to pick up a phone, testify as a witness or perform a citizen's arrest. Many people will never do any of those things, but sooner or later someone will stand up and say enough is enough. If nobody ever does, I'd have to conclude that they like it that way.
 
Sunchild2071 said:
So this past weekend, one of us was coming into Canada, from the USA, with his tractor in tow, to help us work on erecting a ceremonial lodge, for traditional purposes. CBSA saw fit to deny him entry to Canada, since he was coming up to "work".
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I agree with a lot of what you are saying and I'll touch on the above first: The term "work" was the issue. Jehovah's Witnesses never hire labor to erect a temple, they do it by asking for "volunteers to come officiate and participate in a religious ceremony" (all expense considered your tithe of course) in the erection of the temple. This way they get free trades labor from all over the world and I have never heard of CBSA refusing them... they can't... because if they did the Jehovah's Witnesses would sue them for religious prosecution from every country denied access. I know this because a relative of mine was a Witness and got a free trip with other Witnesses up to Canada from the USA for that very thing.

Sunchild2071 said:
What race card? I'm pretty sure the jist of my post is including the idea that if there is penalty imposed upon them, it should be enforced.
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The problem becomes the backlash from the Social Justice Wankers (SJWs) who will see the actual punishment and enforcement of those sentences as being racism, destruction of Native rights and so forth. Yes, the courts are leeches that want every excuse to drain someone until their death, but at the same time the SJWs don't want anyone to live down the Residential Schools because then the SJWs don't have a cause... and if the courts did push the issue on these individuals I bet the terms "racism", "assimilation of Natives" and "residential schools" would come up so fast you could hold your breath waiting for them to be said and not get blue in the face.

Again, I agree on the courts but also realize the courts don't particularly like the SJWs in their face... but that's just my opinion.

It's also my opinion they need a lifetime guiding ban and a lifetime hunting off the one reserve ban as well, but that isn't going to happen.
 
Tuning in time maybe reminding them that if we catch you doing it again the tuning in will be a bit more "strict" next time.
 
Aniest, I think that primarily, you are correct on the "work" implication. Friend could have worded it better, but then may have been deemed as lying, which would be even worse. Basically, I was think how we "work" is parallel the JWs style, which is basically the fashion that we use to try and conduct ourselves, as far as structure building. It is the community of us, that do it, there is no pay. He is one of us, and was just trying to pitch in.

Our other problem may be that what we do could not be likely deemed as a religion. More like just a devotion to trying to get back to the traditional way of life. No exemptions based on religion, for us; or clout of a large religious body to protect us.

Sadly, it left us in a lurch. We can overcome that. I purchased equipment here, in Canada, that there will be no issues, next time we get together. At least as far as that goes.

Bottom line, I think, there is no one sentence solution, to a matter such as what the OP raised.
 
Fines that may or not get paid don't deter much, they could even be considered a business expense if
you squint just right.

Start seizing trucks and equipment and the pain would be real. Nothing like getting cleaned out to bring home
the reality.
 
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