Meet the new Heckler & Koch G38 German rifle ...

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With the HK G36 falling out of favor and the new HK G27 and G28 7.62mm rifles being adopted, the German authorities designated the new HK416A5 the G38. Just like with the G36 there will be three version, the full sized G38 with 16.5" barrel, the mid sized G38K with 14.5" barrel and the G38C with the new (0.7" longer) 11" barrel.

Here is the G38C

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To clarify, at the moment its not replacing the G36 as the main service rifle of the Bund. It passed testing at the Meppen technical centre, got its official designation and is now available for procurement through the internal ordering system of German federal authorities. The agency that adopted it is the German Federal Customs Service.
 
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The longest version isn't even 18"? What the heck is going on here...

Aren't there issues with even the 20" 5.56 rifles having performance issues at the long ranges in Afghanistan? Come on now..
 
Meet the new Heckler & Koch G38 German service rifle ...

16.5 is all it is needed. The usmc IAr is 16.5 as well.

There is no point of having a 20" bbl as a general issue rifle based on external ballistics.
 
They should have done a keymod or m-lok forend instead but I like shorter barrels so that's a win for me.
My problem with it will be the price tag. They may make one of the best AR variants available but they aren't worth 2-3 times what others are selling for.
 
First and foremost, this is a G38 and it is a military rifle, not a civilian rifle. Everything is done what the Germany military wants, and keymod is still a civilian phenomenon.

Keymod will not end well as a general issue item as there are too many accessories to be lost and kept track off. It will end up like many armories with C7s - the guys at the store will strip all the triads, rails and accessories off the rifles so they won't be lost or get "removed" permanently. It is bureaucratic but any big organizations are bureaucracies, they will always do things like that for the ease of administration.

I would rather have all the rails on the handguard ready to go, then figuring out why someone has taken the rails off my rifle and why the store is not issuing any rails. Enthusiasts like to tinker and optimize with accessories, because it is the fun part of improving performance. On the other hand, if you have to be accountable for every small part and keeping track of them as part of the job, you probably will not be excited to be given a bag of parts .

And finally, if someone hands me a rifle in a configuration that does not work with me, I have to SPEND MORE TIME to move the rails to make it work for me. Keep it simple and give me a handguard with rails permanently attached.
 
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x1 This^^^ We've had our foregrips removed since our CQ was to lazy and afraid guys would lose them or steal. It p*ssed me of. I'm tired of this kind of attitude in the system and that's a huge chunk of the problem. I didn't even bother signing it back and put it on, ´#cause I don't see the need in any situation I did in FTXs that I should#'ve had it.


rc_p120 said:
The longest version isn't even 18"? What the heck is going on here...

Aren't there issues with even the 20" 5.56 rifles having performance issues at the long ranges in Afghanistan? Come on now..
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You know that the majority of the guys can't it hit at 400? So why bother going over that? And yes, the caliber was the problem, not the length of the barrel. You can do as much with the c8 than the c7.
 
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Meet the new Heckler & Koch G38 German service rifle ...

The majority of guys can do 400 at KD, as long as they are taught and coached by someone who actually knows how to shoot.

The problem is that there are not too many guys who know how to teach and coach.

And the next thing is, in field condition, range estimation and environment factors have a big say on practical hitability. With no one to spot and adjust fire, the maximum practical point and shoot range is about under 250m. There is no need to have a long barrel - it is a waste, purely from external ballistics perspective.
 
M.Orange said:
x1 This^^^ We've had our foregrips removed since our CQ was to lazy and afraid guys would lose them or steal. It p*ssed me of. I'm tired of this kind of attitude in the system and that's a huge chunk of the problem. I didn't even bother signing it back and put it on, ´#cause I don't see the need in any situation I did in FTXs that I should#'ve had it.




You know that the majority of the guys can't it hit at 400? So why bother going over that? And yes, the caliber was the problem, not the length of the barrel. You can do as much with the c8 than the c7.
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Are you allowed to buy your own foregrip and put them on your rifle? or is that a major no go?
 
greentips said:
The majority of guys can do 400 at KD, as long as they are taught and coached by someone who actually knows how to shoot.

The problem is that there are not too many guys who know how to teach and coach.

And the next thing is, in field condition, range estimation and environment factors have a big say on practical hitability. With no one to spot and adjust fire, the maximum practical point and shoot range is about under 250m. There is no need to have a long barrel - it is a waste, purely from external ballistics perspective.
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don't you guys have those fancy lrb range finder binoculars?
 
When is this happening? It would be quite a stretch to field this when they are still paying the bills for half of the EU. Once they pull out of the EU and recover then yes, cool new toy for the BW.
 
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