Memories of a Guided Duck Hunt Gone Wrong.

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A few weeks ago, I went on my first guided waterfowl hunt, and I'll never forget it. The reasons why the trip was so memorable however, were not the reasons you might guess. It was both a negative and an enjoyable experience at the same time, for reasons I'll explain in a minute. First I need to give a little detail as to how the trip came to be, which will help you understand why I was so angry, that my wife wisely advised me to cool-off for a few weeks before uploading my fury to the internet!

I'll try to keep this succinct and to the point. My father has terminal lung cancer. He was mentor to my brother and I for all things, and we spent the majority of our childhood outdoors. He taught us to fish, hunt, build a lean-too, tie knots, fight with words when we could, and our fists when we had to. The three of us had been out hunting together innumerable times, but had never been on a guided hunt. He talked about the idea from time to time - of how nice it would be to go out just once, and have all of the work done for us so that we could just enjoy the best part of the hunt together. We laughed at him and said that it was just plain lazy, but dad said it would be just like eating dessert without having to go through supper first. We didn't have the money to go when we were younger, then university, marriage and kids of our own came along, and the guided hunt was just one of those little fantasies that got swept under the rug.

A few months ago, dad surprised my brother and I with a guided waterfowl hunt in Walkerton, Ontario. He was too sick to go himself, but wanted my brother and I to go together while he was still around so he could hear the stories and enjoy some of the spoils of the hunt. He told us to think of him every time we stood up to blast away!

We met up with our guide at the Best Western in Walkerton, Ontario on the Friday night before the hunt. The folks at the Best Western welcomed us immediately and were especially friendly when they learned that we were there with the outfitter group that we had chosen. It was obvious that our guide took the time to cultivate relationships with anyone who would be doing business with his clients. When he arrived at the hotel, he greeted us like old friends and made us feel at home. He is an immediately approachable and likeable guy, and a truly professional gentleman. We went over the details of the following morning and he told us where the best places in town to get a bite and a drink were. Before leaving, he informed the hotel staff that we'd be leaving at 4:45am, and they said they'd have breakfast ready by 4:15.

When we arrived at the field, there were a few more vehicles than I expected. Our guide had lead us to the field and once there got out of his truck to talk to the people in the other vehicles. After a few minutes, it became apparent that he was arguing with them. He came over to us and explained that Brandon, our guide for the day, had been at the field since 4:00, setting up the blind and decoys. The group were with another outfitting, and they arrived at the field around 5:00. Even though Brandon had been there and set up before they arrived, the other hunters refused to hunt another field. Due to the fact that the other outfitting company's owner had permission to hunt that field extending from when our guide used to work with them. Due to circumstances that are none of my business, they had a falling out and our guide started his own company. We had no way to get rid of them, other than to appeal to their sense of decency and propriety, which failed.

As dawn broke, the birds started flying - and my God, there were a lot of them. 200-300 birds to a flock, and they just kept coming! The only problem was that the other group had set up about 300 yards away, between us and the birds. Every time a flock came from the lake to the field, they set down on their party, and dropped like flies. Not a single bird came close to us. As the sun came up and the birds went down, I was suddenly glad that dad hadn't been able to make it. It would have made him sick. We figured that after a while, the other party would have the decency to let a few flocks by and share in the wealth of birds that were flying (we saw a total of 2000-3000 birds by noon), but that wasn't the case. My dad had spent good money on that hunt, expecting us to come back to him with birds and stories, but instead, we would return with a frustrating story that would break his heart.

It was around the time that we were most frustrated by the ignorance of the other group, as well as their hunters (our party agreed unilaterally that if we had been in the group, we'd have demanded our guides take us to an unoccupied field), that pigeons began to fly out of a nearby barn. Strangely enough, they unvaryingly flew past our position just as flocks of ducks and geese were descending on the other party. We didn't want to go home empty handed, so we fired on the pigeons every time. Our marksmanship wasn't up to snuff that day however, and we only hit a single bird. Sadly, the pigeon's timing and our resulting fire ended in the unfortunate spooking of each subsequent flock that descended on the ther party. I suppose that's the downside of a crowded field. But as dad had requested, we thought of him while I blasted away - And we were SMILING!

It’s too bad that all of the hard work and expert calling that Brandon put into our hunt came to no avail. All of the outfitter's staff went above and beyond, delivering coffee, pizza, and an extra case of shells so we could try again for damned illusive pigeons. The owner even comped the other guys in our group a free hunt the next day to make up for it. My brother and I couldn't stay, but he offered us a free hunt next fall. What a class act! The actions of an irresponsible party are not his fault, but he made good on his own dime regardless.

In the end, we didn't have birds to bring home to dad. I briefly considered stopping at Zehr's and grabbing a duck to serve as a prop with which to give him a better story, but without pictures it wouldn't have worked. Besides, I have yet to tell him a lie that hasn't resulted in a boxed ear. Instead, we gave him a story about a whole lot of lucky pigeons, and that made him smile, too.
 
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Firstly, I'm sorry about your father and hope you enjoy every minute with him.

That aside, it sounds like you got caught up in an internal squabble between an outfitter and his former guide, who now operates his own outfit. While I can feel for you and the unfortunate events, I don't think it's a great idea to vent details on a public forum, including posting names, when you really don't know the circumstances that lead up to the events that transpired.

If you get a chance to go again, I hope your next outing is more enjoyable.
 
I understand your point, Bearkilr. I have just never seen a hunter, let alone an outfit behave this way. I don't think that any set of circumstances should lead someone to act in such an unprofessional manner. My opinion is just that - my opinion. I don't expect anyone to agree with me (and in many cases, I wholeheartedly advise against it!) but I feel compelled to let others in on my experience. I do however, understand that I've gone a bit far by including names. I did so, not to stir up trouble, but to warn people from a poor businessman. I have edited the names out of the post.
 
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It is unfortunate about the hunt, especially with the circumstance with your father. I'd take a guess that there is more to the situation than your guide lead you to believe. Hopefully the make up hunt will bring better memories! Good luck and sorry to hear about your dad.
 
too bad your guide didn't suggest a compromise - as in - since your guys were there first setting up decoys why not all hunt together and shoot from the same area - seems like there were lots of birds to go around? I would have asked them that if I had been there as a client.
What's the big deal - everyone will get shooting and get birds.
 
Firstly, I'm sorry about your father and hope you enjoy every minute with him.

That aside, it sounds like you got caught up in an internal squabble between an outfitter and his former guide, who now operates his own outfit. While I can feel for you and the unfortunate events, I don't think it's a great idea to vent details on a public forum, including posting names, when you really don't know the circumstances that lead up to the events that transpired.

If you get a chance to go again, I hope your next outing is more enjoyable.

This is exactly where he should vent these details. People pay good money to outfitters to make all the arrangements and when they fail to do so for what ever reason then potential customers should be aware that the guides/outfittters can't arrange a hunt. If an outfitter can't coordinate with the land owner and surrounding outfitters they shouldn't be outfitting.
 
This is exactly where he should vent these details. People pay good money to outfitters to make all the arrangements and when they fail to do so for what ever reason then potential customers should be aware that the guides/outfittters can't arrange a hunt. If an outfitter can't coordinate with the land owner and surrounding outfitters they shouldn't be outfitting.
I find it poor form to post personal info on a public forum without the other's consent, that's all. Guess I'm not part of Generation Facebook.
 
I find it poor form to post personal info on a public forum without the other's consent, that's all. Guess I'm not part of Generation Facebook.

I'm not a facebooker either, but this is the tech generation and if companies/businesses think that their actions and business practices won't make it to the internet, they should give their heads a shake.

PR is advertising, and any company with a product or service needs to be on top of their game or they will suffer. Its a lot easier to maintain a good public image than it is to reverse a bad one...
 
To the OP, I lost my father years ago when I was 10 to the same horrible disease. Unlike yourself I have only fleeting memories of sharing experiences with him. However, it is from him that I have a love of sport, firearms and hunting (hoping to get back into it next season). Unfortunate as your well planned trip was, you made a comment that should allow you to take much solace away from all this.............

"Besides, I have yet to tell him a lie that hasn't resulted in a boxed ear. Instead, we gave him a story about a whole lot of lucky pigeons, and that made him smile, too. "

Those two sentences right there will bring you pleasant (and painful) memories for years to come!!!

Better luck on your next hunt!!!
 
This is exactly where he should vent these details. People pay good money to outfitters to make all the arrangements and when they fail to do so for what ever reason then potential customers should be aware that the guides/outfittters can't arrange a hunt. If an outfitter can't coordinate with the land owner and surrounding outfitters they shouldn't be outfitting.

These are my feelings as well. However, I do feel a bit weasely stirring up trouble on a public forum. I took the names down, but have no issues with PM'ing interested parties who want to be informed before spending a lot of money. When I buy a new appliance, firearm optic, etc, I check reviews online first. Love it or hate it, services are subject to the same scrutiny these days. The trick is to weed out the isolated, disgruntled posters who are rarely pleased by anything. I generally read as many reviews as I can, and take a consensus. I'm just putting my piece out there.

I have heard negative stories about this particular guide while talking to people in Walkerton. Not just about his guiding practices, but doing business in general. The same people had nothing but good things to say about our guide. It's hard to hide a bad reputation in a small town. If our guys are there with blinds up and decoys out before the other party arrives on the scene, and the other party is asked to find another field before they get their gear out, then I don't think that we should have to leave. They are teaching this at hunter safety courses today. It's common courtesy, as well as a safety issue.
 
I wonder what the other side to the story is, I really do.

Maybe when your guide was arguing with the other hunters, they thought your guide was out of line. Who knows, maybe the other group wouldn't have a problem calling their guide to find somewhere else close by, but there were a few extra things said that stopped them from caring about your group.

Also when there are thousands of birds flying around like you said, you guys should probably stop blasting at pigeons. If you're shooting at enough of them that you need another case of shells delivered, i'll actually repeat that just so the stupidity can sink in, another case of shells delivered, the other group probably thought you guys were a bunch of a**holes and idiots. Doing it intentionally to scare off multiple flocks of birds that are heading to their spread, well Sir, you don't have my sympathy any longer for trying to ruin their hunt. At this point you're no better than them.

You know what I use to do when I was guiding and we weren't catching, killing, or someone else showed up and didn't want to leave? I pulled out. Who wants to stay in the same spot all day and watch other people have all the luck? I've never guided goose hunts sure, but I'd be pulling those decoys and heading to a close field down the road if nothing was coming into the spread. Might have taken a couple hours total to move everything if you hauled ass but you could have easily saved the hunt. As a business, I'd think it would have been the right move, saves the multiple free hunts handed out, and the customers will probably have a better chance at birds. Instead, your guide tried to stick it out so he wouldn't hurt his ego by pulling out in front of the other outfitter. I'd say your guide Brandon is mostly at fault for not moving your group or telling you to stop wasting shells because you're bored.

And I'm not the other outfitter, nor do I guide anymore, nor was I hunting geese this year. I just think that you and the other group were on par with each other.
 
I wonder what the other side to the story is, I really do.

Maybe when your guide was arguing with the other hunters, they thought your guide was out of line. Who knows, maybe the other group wouldn't have a problem calling their guide to find somewhere else close by, but there were a few extra things said that stopped them from caring about your group.

Also when there are thousands of birds flying around like you said, you guys should probably stop blasting at pigeons. If you're shooting at enough of them that you need another case of shells delivered, i'll actually repeat that just so the stupidity can sink in, another case of shells delivered, the other group probably thought you guys were a bunch of a**holes and idiots. Doing it intentionally to scare off multiple flocks of birds that are heading to their spread, well Sir, you don't have my sympathy any longer for trying to ruin their hunt. At this point you're no better than them.

As always, you are welcome to your opinion. I didn't post to have others agree with my way of thinking. No one on this forum was there that day, nor did they feel what I felt. How could they? If I came across as portraying myself as the good guy, or as someone who took the high road, then I have miscommunicated. I was more like someone who was slapped in the face for no good reason, and then decided to throw a punch back rather than walk away.
I suppose that you could argue semantics and speculate what may or may not have happened behind the scenes all day long, but in the end, I'm telling my story and no one else's. This isn't the movies, where we get the story from every angle wrapped up in a nice package so we are better able to judge the actions of the participants.
Don't feel the need to repeat yourself to make a point. I heard you the first time - and it was me who wrote about the other case of shells being delivered. I understand as well as anyone what that meant to both us, and the other party. I understand that in your eyes, the other party's eyes, and the eyes of many others who read this and weren't on our side of the blind, that we are a**holes. I'm okay with that. I've done some pretty decent things for perfect strangers in my time. I've done some things I'm not proud of as well. I'm not perfect, but I feel strongly that when someone bullies you or someone else, you don't let them get their way. These guys knowingly ruined our hunt at a spot we had occupied first. Rather than taking the high road and sharing the field, ie: letting some of the flocks pass to us, they blocked us 100% of the time. If you are Ghandi, and can walk away from that with a smile on your face and love in your heart, then I applaud your self control and strength of will. I am not that man.
 
I wonder what the other side to the story is, I really do.

Maybe when your guide was arguing with the other hunters, they thought your guide was out of line. Who knows, maybe the other group wouldn't have a problem calling their guide to find somewhere else close by, but there were a few extra things said that stopped them from caring about your group.

Also when there are thousands of birds flying around like you said, you guys should probably stop blasting at pigeons. If you're shooting at enough of them that you need another case of shells delivered, i'll actually repeat that just so the stupidity can sink in, another case of shells delivered, the other group probably thought you guys were a bunch of a**holes and idiots. Doing it intentionally to scare off multiple flocks of birds that are heading to their spread, well Sir, you don't have my sympathy any longer for trying to ruin their hunt. At this point you're no better than them.

You know what I use to do when I was guiding and we weren't catching, killing, or someone else showed up and didn't want to leave? I pulled out. Who wants to stay in the same spot all day and watch other people have all the luck? I've never guided goose hunts sure, but I'd be pulling those decoys and heading to a close field down the road if nothing was coming into the spread. Might have taken a couple hours total to move everything if you hauled ass but you could have easily saved the hunt. As a business, I'd think it would have been the right move, saves the multiple free hunts handed out, and the customers will probably have a better chance at birds. Instead, your guide tried to stick it out so he wouldn't hurt his ego by pulling out in front of the other outfitter. I'd say your guide Brandon is mostly at fault for not moving your group or telling you to stop wasting shells because you're bored.

And I'm not the other outfitter, nor do I guide anymore, nor was I hunting geese this year. I just think that you and the other group were on par with each other.

sorry... but when one group is there and set up an hour before the other. i dont see a problem with shooting at flying rats to make the best out of a situation where the johnny come latelies get all the birds because the would not go elsewhere.
 
sorry... but when one group is there and set up an hour before the other. i dont see a problem with shooting at flying rats to make the best out of a situation where the johnny come latelies get all the birds because the would not go elsewhere.

I still don't understand how shooting at pigeons when birds are working someone elses spread is acceptable. Its the same thing as skyblasting ducks.
 
I still don't understand how shooting at pigeons when birds are working someone elses spread is acceptable. Its the same thing as skyblasting ducks.

You can still eat pigeons. Id say a) they were trying to have some fun in a ####ty situation. And b) take home something they might get some meat from.
 
I still don't understand how shooting at pigeons when birds are working someone elses spread is acceptable. Its the same thing as skyblasting ducks.

I agree with you there. I think the point we disagree on however, is that this was "someone else's spread". To me, its simple. Maybe I'm missing something. More likely, we just disagree on the ethics of showing up late to a field that others are already set up in and blocking their hunt.
 
If your guide was already setup and ready to rumble, that's a complete #### MOVE and that outfitters name should be posted for all to avoid. It doesn't matter if your hunting/fishing/camping if you show up at a spot that's already taken you move on, it's called respect.

I would've gone through many cases of shells with no other intention than to ruin their hunt as they did yours, glad to see you guys made the best of it.
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Way to build a positive note out of a frustrating ordeal. If suggest that your father did a good job, and your wife's advice speaks well to her wisdom.
That said, if your guide had been setup I the field for an hour and then the other pinhead setup between you and the roost, he deserves a good smashing. And the tools that were with him.
I'd have walked through their setup to tell them in the middle of it all as well, but I have a hot head....
Anyway, business is business and they did the advertising, so post the outfitters name. If he didn't want people to know that they act like that, they should curb the behavior.
 
I'm a big fan of publicly complaining online if a company/business treats me poorly. It's all too common to be brushed off when you call/write in a complaint to a company that doesn't care about ONE person. It's only when you let others know about it that they get scared and realize that treating one person poorly is a bad idea.
 
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