Metric scope, NF or better

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Niko-PG

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Hey guys,

Looking for a scope in Mrad, ideally NightForce 5.5x22 or 8x32 with MLR reticle, or better (S&B, Premier...).

So far no luck with the official NF distributors and 24 weeks wait isn't an option.

Any suggestion ? Any metric scope in stock somewhere?

Thanks

Nick
 
Take a look at the Vortex Razor HD, I can not say if it is better than a Nightforce as I have never had the opportunity to see them side by side. But the Razor HD is available in the MRAD configuration you require, but I do not know about availability in your area.

I really like my Razor, very clear optics right out to the edge of the image, and I agree with you on the MRADs, I much prefer them over MOAs now that I have learned to use them.

Good luck in your search!
 
Don't think of mils as being a metric thing. A milliradian is an angle which subtends an arc which is one unit in height at a distance of 1000 units. This means its 1 meter in height at 1000 meters, but also one yard in height at a distance of 1000 yards, one foot in height at a distance of 1000 feet, one inch in height at a distance of 1000 inches... The unit in question is irrelavent. It can imperial, metric or something else, it doesn't matter.

To make the most out of the scope, get a reticle that lends itself well to wind and elevation holdovers, such as the Premier Gen2 XR, Horus Vision or Vortex EBR-2/2B. And get illumination, it solves the problem of hard to see crosshairs at low magnification.

My preference is Premier Heritage, and quite a few places sell them. The reticle is finer that most others. Coretac Solutions, PGWDTI, and a few others.
 
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You are right, but using the imperial system to range or hold off with a Mil/Mil scope is like using meters with a MOA scope... useless math...

I'm trying to convince myself that putting a Premier Heritage scope on a Rem700, at my shooting level, is retarded... but I looked through one... they are nice... please find me another option...
 
MOA isn't imperial either, it just comes out very close with the unit of measurement that are commonly used in shooting (inches @ yards). What you say is only true if the scope is first focal place, in which case it also holds true for MOA/MOA. But yes, FFP and matching turrets and reticle remove the requirement for needless thinking.

Unfortunately, those seem to be the only companies at the moment that offer reticles that allow you to fully take advantage of FFP. Other reticles allow you to do either wind or elevation hold-offs, but not the two of them together with the same degree of precision. But, that only becomes an issue if you're using the scope for snap shots at multiple distances where you don't have time to make turret corrections or worry about adjusting the magnification to a specific value.
 
Frankly I use the Mil/Mil only to dope my correction if I see the splash or impact (and my spotting scope is in Mils too). I use centimetres when I have to walk to the target: 500m, 10 cm to the right = 2 clicks. Works too with another NF in MOA/MOA but not that good.

The real mystery for me is the plenitude of MOA scopes with a Mildot reticle :confused::confused:
 
I never waste time thinking about how many centimeters a click is at whatever distance. At any distance, at any magnification, it's 0.1mil. Doesn't matter if it's yards or meters, an even distance or an odd one, my reticle tells me what the correction needs to be. As longs as conditions don't change, the following shot hits the target.
 
If you're willing to shell out S&B type bux, check out USO. Pick out a basic model like say T-Pal and tell em what you want and they build it. Best scope there is.
 
kombayotch said:
I went to the Premier Heritage from a USO SN-3 3-17x TPAL "Canadian" model.
Click to expand...

Did you get one of the 10 or so USO military versions that found their way to Canada a few years ago for military trials? I remember those being offered and was tempted but had just bought my T-Pal. "Nice Deal", or I thought they were.
 
I owned it when I lived in the US. It had a PGW-xx serial number. The EREK is a PITA to adjust. With the Premier, you just flick up a lever with the rim of a case, turn to your new zero and push it back down. Re-zeroing requires no tools and takes only seconds to do. Also, the only reticle USO offers that allows simultaneous windage and elevation hold-off is the Horus and they charge an extra $400 for that.
 
It has nothing to do with not requiring a canted rail, it's about using the setup to it's fullest vs. being limited to the SFP way of doing things.

Looks like Bushnell is coming out with a new reticle for their HDMR scope that has these features. It's called the G2 GAP (Gen 2 GA Precision).

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Info on the scope here: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2671024

It's nice to see more companies offering reticles like this. I'm sure there will be similar ones from the other companies as well. Everyone is playing catch-up to Horus, Premier and Vortex in that area at the moment.
 
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