Mil dot reticles?

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I am trying to decide between the Zeiss rapid z 800 or the new monarch reticle for 2 7mm rem mags. I want something that will judge trejectory well and give me different dots or hairs for 100-200-300 yds
 
If the dots line up to actual holdover, you're lucky. My 308 is right around 3 MOA drop from a 100 yard zero to 200 yards and again 3 MOA between 200 and 300.

The dots only serve as a guide for range estimation. Scope adjustments deal with the holdover.
 
Would it be possible to discuss how the scope is adjusted? The rapid z 600 wasnt considered useful for the 7mm rem mag. Im assuming the trajec was too flat. One can adjust the reticle to one distance but the other hairs or dots cannot be adjusted can they not?
If the dots line up to actual holdover, you're lucky. My 308 is right around 3 MOA drop from a 100 yard zero to 200 yards and again 3 MOA between 200 and 300.

The dots only serve as a guide for range estimation. Scope adjustments deal with the holdover.
 
Neither the Zeiss nor the Nikon is a mildot reticle but rather it's a new breed of ballistic reticle. The Repid Z can be adjusted for all loads and has a traditional crosshair at all ranges, where the Nikon isn't graduated in yardage, plus I find Nikon's BDC reticle very difficult to use. The big circles you are supposed to use for long range aren't fine enough for pinpoint accuracy.

Not sure why the Rapid Z wouldn't be considered useful on a 7mm. I've got a Rapid Z 800 on mine and it works perfectly. Go to the Zeiss website to learn more about adjusting the Rapid Z for each load. It's a simple matter of adjusting your magnification but it is all explained well there.
 
Sorry I had the 600 and sold it as I need a 800. Ill prolly go with the 800. If it was sighted in for 200 yards how close would the crosshairs be for 100 and 300?
Neither the Zeiss nor the Nikon is a mildot reticle but rather it's a new breed of ballistic reticle. The Repid Z can be adjusted for all loads and has a traditional crosshair at all ranges, where the Nikon isn't graduated in yardage, plus I find Nikon's BDC reticle very difficult to use. The big circles you are supposed to use for long range aren't fine enough for pinpoint accuracy.

Not sure why the Rapid Z wouldn't be considered useful on a 7mm. I've got a Rapid Z 800 on mine and it works perfectly. Go to the Zeiss website to learn more about adjusting the Rapid Z for each load. It's a simple matter of adjusting your magnification but it is all explained well there.
 
Sorry I had the 600 and sold it as I need a 800. Ill prolly go with the 800. If it was sighted in for 200 yards how close would the crosshairs be for 100 and 300?

There is no 100 yard crosshair on the 800 but when adjusted properly you would be dead on at 200, 300, 400, 500, 600 700 and 800 yards by using the appropriate hash marks. For a 100 yard shot you'd simply use the 200 yard crosshair and likely hit about 2 inches high. Didn't you ever use the 600....the 800 and 1,000 work exactly the same?
 
No I bought it then read the directions that indicated that the800 was needed for a 7mm rem mag as it would fit the ballistics more appropriately.
There is no 100 yard crosshair on the 800 but when adjusted properly you would be dead on at 200, 300, 400, 500, 600 700 and 800 yards by using the appropriate hash marks. For a 100 yard shot you'd simply use the 200 yard crosshair and likely hit about 2 inches high. Didn't you ever use the 600....the 800 and 1,000 work exactly the same?
 
Since the 600 is listed as being suitable for standard hunting calibres like the 243, .270, .30-06, .300 Win Mag, .325 WSM, etc. I can't see why it wouldn't work with the 7mm.....you are talking pretty similar trajectories. From what I read, they say the 800 is suited to standard hunting calibres and calibres like 300 Ultra Mag, .338 Ultra Mag, etc.
 
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Im only going by the literature provided by Zeiss.
Since the 600 is listed as being suitable for standard hunting calibres like the 243, .270, .30-06, .300 Win Mag, .325 WSM, etc. I can't see why it wouldn't work with the 7mm.....you are talking pretty similar trajectories. From what I read, they say the 800 is suited to standard hunting calibres and calibres like 300 Ultra Mag, .338 Ultra Mag, etc.
 
Curious why you would need any type of reticle aid when shooting a 7RM out to 300yds?

The difference in drop over that distance is pretty small. Certainly flat enough to engage normal size game without mucking about.

Most loads sighted 1" high at 100yds, will be at or slightly high at 200yds and a few inches low at 300yds.

These reticles start to help when drop exceeds the kill zone of an animal.

Odds are the reticle covers as much as the drop of the bullet.

Jerry
 
Curious why you would need any type of reticle aid when shooting a 7RM out to 300yds?

The difference in drop over that distance is pretty small. Certainly flat enough to engage normal size game without mucking about.

Most loads sighted 1" high at 100yds, will be at or slightly high at 200yds and a few inches low at 300yds.

These reticles start to help when drop exceeds the kill zone of an animal.

Odds are the reticle covers as much as the drop of the bullet.

Jerry

You wouldn't to 300 yards for hold on hair POA but at 400-1,000 yards which the Rapid Z is designed for, it still gives you a hold on hair POA and if you do your part a POI.

The reticle is quite fine and more than capable of precision POA at 800 metres. I haven't shot the 1,000 so can't comment at that range.
 
I never shoot beyond 300 anyway except when sillywet shooting with the sharps. I like the idea of having a 100 and 200 and 300 yard crosshair. Beyond that I dont shoot.
You wouldn't to 300 yards for hold on hair POA but at 400-1,000 yards which the Rapid Z is designed for, it still gives you a hold on hair POA and if you do your part a POI.

The reticle is quite fine and more than capable of precision POA at 800 metres. I haven't shot the 1,000 so can't comment at that range.
 
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