Milsurp Collecting 1960 style

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These advertisements are from a "Guns" magazine of 1960. If you realize that the average wage was about $1.00 per hour, you can get an idea of what it would cost to buy some of these.

I really did not want to put on the $59.95 Lee Enfield Sniper rifles complete with case because of the possibility of the howls of anguish that would be heard across the Land.
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And for the really big bore enthusiast, look at this. It even comes with a sub-calibre unit for firing rifle cartridges, and telescopic sights. Just tow it along behind your car.
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How about a Bofors 37mm AT for $300 FOB New Jersey. And Johnson Automatic Rifles for... $59.95 - I believe those sell in the $3000 range in Canada now and Americans pay more.
 
A lot of those early Garand releases had re-welded receivers as a result of being built from demilitarized rifles. I remember looking at a couple in the mid-1960s-sparkling new looking, but re-welded receivers. They were also called "Winfields" and "Springchesters" as a result of welding together mis-matched front and rear halves. This is why it still pays to check the receiver drawing number and heat treatment number to what is appropriate for the receiver s/n.
The US demilitarized hundreds of thousands of them, as well as M1 Carbines and M1903 Springfields, by running them thru the big crusher known as "Cap'n Crunch". Some of the really nice ones that were available early on were the ex- British lend lease ones which were sold by the British in the early 1960s.
 
Yeah, everything looks cheap, but by comparison if the wages were about a $1 an hour, they are cheaper now.

But a swede carbine for $30 bucks...wouldn't it would be nice to go back with a pocket full of loot.
 
If wages were $1 an hour some of those are 2 weeks wages or more:eek: Puts things into perspective....by relation is it just me or are guns cheaper now???

Some are some arent. Johnsons for example.

59.95@ $1per hour is 60 hours. Not factoring in taxes.
3000 for one today at a decent wage of $25/hr = 120hrs

Also lets not forget that it was $1 per hour minimum wage, not many gun collectors work for minimum wage.
 
The SVT was $50 back then, and about $250 to $300 now. MUCH cheaper when wages are factored in.
Other items have gone the other way. I've seen ads from the mid '50's for PIAT anti tank weapons for $8 each! Now they are about $3000.
 
Ads such as these started a LOT of us into this hobby...... and a few folks who we don't talk about. Lee Harvey Oswald bought his Carcano from Klein's of Chicago, for example. I bought clips there because I saw his invoice in "Life" magazine and there were none in Canada. They lifted the Carcano from their ad right fast, believe me!

My own start in this hobby was from one of the Ye Olde Hunter ads. I fell in love with the fancy triggerguard of the "VV Sniping Rifle" and saved up my $9.98 in nickels and dimes, added the extra $1.99 because I lived in Canada.... and sent away for it. It arrived at the CPR station, delivered by a steam train, $1.30 freight collect. My rifle turned out to be a much-battered AOI Vetterli-Vitali 1870/87/915 made at Torre Annunziata in 1883.... with a bent barrel. Fortunately, a family friend was Ernie Symons, who was just about the finest machinist who EVER lived. Ernie put the VV onto lathe centres and straightened her out and I still have the rifle. I am still looking for a spaghetti bush so I can compare it to the grain on my stock.

Read some of the DESCRIPTIONS carefully. There is a lot of bum information in some of them. Remember, there was no Internet at that time and VERY few books. I really don't even remember if Fred Datig had published his FIRST Luger book, much less the vastly-improved second edition, and that was the ONLY Luger book there was. The well-read gun hobbyist's personal library consisted of a Lyman or Ideal loading book, a stack of old "Field and Stream" magazines, a Bannerman catalogue and perhaps a Gun Digest or two, even if they were shockingly expensive. The absolute gun NUT had a copy of Hatcher's Notebook, SECOND edition: third was still in the future.

A waitress made 50 cents an hour plus tips, a waiter made 55 cents an hour but nobody tipped waiters. A Baker's Helper made 70 cents an hour and it was nearly ALL handwork, very hot, very physical, 112-pound bags of flour and how many Parker House Rolls can you make in half an hour, one at a time, and there's 400 loaves ready to come out NOW! The Manager at the Bank of Commerce got $320 a month and was expected to maintain a lofty social position (for the credit of the Bank, of course) on that. In the oil patch, my father made 600 a month as Area Manager for one of the two biggest oil-well wireline outfits, doing R/A work, logging and shooting, backoffs, setting plugs, packers ..... and working 80 hours a week, every week. You could make $1.75 an hour working with Sid and Art Rockall on a service rig, unless Sid got drunk and pulled the Crown block down to the drilling floor again. There was big money on the big rigs, Comonwealth paying $2.75 an hour but that was wet, heavy work, no power tongs, manual slips, 30 below, running casing 1800 feet to the hour in 30-foot joints, spinning-in each joint with a chain off the cathead and then catheading it tight with a pair of 48s and a single suspended tong.

Yes, guns were cheaper but most guys owned ONE and it was a $45 Winchester 94 or a $110 Winchester 70. The guy with the old Army rifle was either a veteran or to poor to buy himself a decent gun... and sometimes both. Veterans, then as now, were not appreciated properly. A few guys were still trying to pot-hunt with Grandpa's old rifle, the one he got out of the catalogue back in 1910 or 1920.... and there were no shells for most of those. You could still get.43 Mauser, so that was about the ONLY old-time cartridge generally available although the hardware store COULD get .577 Snider and .577/.450MH for you, should you want such a thing. Have to come from England, though.

So those mysterious Mausers were sold off and butchered by the score, the VVs and Werndls were hung on walls until forgotten, the .43s became useless in 1968 when IVI destroyed all existing stocks of the ammunition and then de-listed the round. I doubt that very many Garands ever were sold in Canada: that was DOUBLE the price of a 94! Canadians knew nothing about Johnsons and the thing looked weird anyway: are you SURE you want something like that? And it's a .30-'06, which is overkill for anything in this country: everybody knows that. SEVEN millimeter? Looked about okay, so tried one in Grandpa's Ross and the damn CASING blew out: too dangerous! And just EVERYBODY knows that 6.5s are dangerous: you ever hear about those Eaton's 6.5s? Well, I can tell you that the things are a death-trap, pure and simple and........

And so it went.

And most of those are gone, now. The VERY few remainders are the foundations of this hobby we now enjoy.

Yes, quite a few of them ARE cheaper now in terms of the hours you work.

But I'm still waiting for BUFFDOG to source some more unfired Lewises, with equipment, at $60 a pop because, you see, I HAVE the money now!

Hope this puts things into a bit of perspective.
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Yes, some of those guns are cheaper now.

Can't even compare because today's limited selection absolutely sucks. But I would say the heyday for milsurp collection was in the 80's to early 90's. That's when many armies began to sell off their high end 7.62 assault rifles like FAL, G3, Ak, Galil, real M14 and other ###y guns to civvies.
 
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