Mini-range report: XCR-M .308 heavy barrel (18.5") vs light barrel (18.5")

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Hey all;

I went to the range today to shoot an XCR-M with both the heavy, and light profile barrels. The heavy barrel had about 200 rounds through it before the trip, while the light was brand spankin' new.

The difference in accuracy was noticeable. My question is whether the significantly worse performance of the light barrel is a barrel weight issue, or a "break-in" issue for a new barrel? In addition to poor accuracy, I had a number of Failures to Extract (FTE) with the newer light barrel, even with the gas turned to max.

I used a Burris 3-9 scope.

To start with, the light barrel:


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XCR-M Light Barrel, at 100 yards, at max gas setting, with Winchester Super-X Powerpoint Ammo, 180 grain .308
This was just over 7 MOA. Not impressed. On top of that, the nose of the bullet on three occasions drove itself into the bottom of the chamber, so it didn't load. I also had numerous FTEs.






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XCR-M Light Barrel, at 100 yards, at max gas setting, with Remington Core-Lokt ammo, 150 grain .308
This was also over 7 MOA. Again, not impressed. While I didn't get the same number of stoppages with Winchester 180 grain, I did get a number of FTEs.






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XCR-M Light Barrel, at 100 yards, at max gas setting, with Chinese mil 7.62mm
Surprisingly better than the expensive stuff - around 5 MOA. A few FTEs, but not as many as the hunting ammo tested earlier.





Now, the Heavy barrel:

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XCR-M Heavy Barrel, at 100 yards, at gas setting 2, with Winchester Super-X Powerpoint Ammo, 180 grain .308
Grouping approx 4.5 MOA. About the minimum I would expect for a battle rifle





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XCR-M Heavy Barrel, at 100 yards, at gas setting 2, with Remington Core-Lokt ammo, 150 grain .308
About a 3.5 MOA grouping. Reasonable, I would be happy with this result consistently. It's a 9 round group, as I had a failure and damaged a round with a double feed. the bottom most round was a flinch on my part, so I think that this ammo could hit 2.5 MOA with a little better shooting on my part.





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XCR-M Heavy Barrel, at 100 yards, at gas setting 2, with Chinese mil 7.62mm
Just under 4 MOA. The top right round may have been a flinch on my part (not sure unfortunately).





Some final observations / questions:

1. The light barrel really hated the heavier bullets. Is it possible that a heavier bullet causes more barrel-whip in a lighter barrel? Still, 7+ MOA sucks.

2. The barrel change on the XCR retained it's zero - sort of. Switching from heavy to light barrel moved my mean point of impact about 8 MOA. So I had to re-zero. But when I switched back to the heavy barrel, I had to reset the scope almost exactly to the original zero. So that tells me that for removing and replacing the same barrel, the mean point of impact won't really change (much)

3. I am starting to question the utility of a light .308 barrel. In essence, if I want a semi-auto "designated marksman" type battle rifle, I would consider weight a second priority after accuracy and MOST IMPORTANTLY reliable action. Is anybody else having trouble with their light barrel, or is this just the break-in period?
 
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Would the light barrel not cycle on a lower gas setting? I would think it should cycle on a lower setting if it's cycling on #2 with the heavy barrel.
Increasing the gas won't help with cycling issues unless it's short stroking, setting it too high may be causing some of your problems.
Try a pmag in it, reliability issues are usually magazine related. I think I saw them on Wolverine's site for $25, could be a cheap fix.

My buddy has an M with the factory heavy barrel and with factory ammo he was getting similar results to yours and the best he's been able to do with handloads is 1.5 occasionally and 2 moa consistently.
Forget about it being a DMR and you'll feel better about the results. The XCR was designed as a sporting/battle rifle and is plenty accurate enough to hunt big game with out to 200 yards. It will also ring the gongs at 300 yards regularly.
 
Surprisingly no, it wouldn't cycle on anything other than Max gas setting for the light barrel, but cycled fine on setting 2 with the heavier barrel. On the light barrel the biggest issue was failure to extract, so I had to open up the gas setting all the way. About one in four rounds was a stoppage with the light barrel.

Of course the heavy barrel had 200 rounds through it previously so that tells me that part of the issue is the break in period has more to do with the chamber than the receiver or the action.

I'll have to try a P mag. Unfortunately I dropped a lot of money on the XCR-M pistol mags... So I'm not happy about going back to a 5 round capacity...

Would the light barrel not cycle on a lower gas setting? I would think it should cycle on a lower setting if it's cycling on #2 with the heavy barrel.
Increasing the gas won't help with cycling issues unless it's short stroking, setting it too high may be causing some of your problems.
Try a pmag in it, reliability issues are usually magazine related. I think I saw them on Wolverine's site for $25, could be a cheap fix.

My buddy has an M with the factory heavy barrel and with factory ammo he was getting similar results to yours and the best he's been able to do with handloads is 1.5 occasionally and 2 moa consistently.
Forget about it being a DMR and you'll feel better about the results. The XCR was designed as a sporting/battle rifle and is plenty accurate enough to hunt big game with out to 200 yards. It will also ring the gongs at 300 yards regularly.
 
Surprisingly no, it wouldn't cycle on anything other than Max gas setting for the light barrel, but cycled fine on setting 2 with the heavier barrel. On the light barrel the biggest issue was failure to extract, so I had to open up the gas setting all the way. About one in four rounds was a stoppage with the light barrel.

Of course the heavy barrel had 200 rounds through it previously so that tells me that part of the issue is the break in period has more to do with the chamber than the receiver or the action.

I'll have to try a P mag. Unfortunately I dropped a lot of money on the XCR-M pistol mags... So I'm not happy about going back to a 5 round capacity...

Sounds to me like you're running 4 round capacity if you're having a stoppage every 4 rounds. Being able to run 10 rounds of 308 without reloading is nice but it gets expensive. Try a pmag, if it solves the reliability problem then you are ahead of the game since it's faster to reload than it is to clear a malfunction.
I'm still unsure about the "break in" period on the light barrel causing you problems. There isn't much to break in on the barrel and piston that would cause you problems. A few rounds down the barrel may help accuracy a little but most of the break in period is for the bolt carrier and receiver to work themselves in and smooth out any machining marks on moving surfaces.

What was it doing on your failure to extract stoppages? Stovepipe? double feed? ejecting but not picking up a fresh round?

The stoppages you had where the tip of the bullet drove into the receiver below the chamber is a magazine issue. A little adjustment of the feed lips may clear those up.
9 out of 10 stoppages on rifles like these are caused by the magazine, when in doubt try something new. How does it work with the original mag that it came with?
 
Sounds to me like you're running 4 round capacity if you're having a stoppage every 4 rounds. Being able to run 10 rounds of 308 without reloading is nice but it gets expensive. Try a pmag, if it solves the reliability problem then you are ahead of the game since it's faster to reload than it is to clear a malfunction.
I'm still unsure about the "break in" period on the light barrel causing you problems. There isn't much to break in on the barrel and piston that would cause you problems. A few rounds down the barrel may help accuracy a little but most of the break in period is for the bolt carrier and receiver to work themselves in and smooth out any machining marks on moving surfaces.

What was it doing on your failure to extract stoppages? Stovepipe? double feed? ejecting but not picking up a fresh round?

The stoppages you had where the tip of the bullet drove into the receiver below the chamber is a magazine issue. A little adjustment of the feed lips may clear those up.
9 out of 10 stoppages on rifles like these are caused by the magazine, when in doubt try something new. How does it work with the original mag that it came with?

Essentially the action wouldn't cycle back far enough to fully eject the round. Sometimes it would pull the casing partway out, it would get stuck, the bolt would continue to the rear, and pick up a new round and try to drive it into the chamber. Othertimes, stovepipes. It seems to pick up fresh rounds no problem...

I did some diagnosis this evening, and found that the gas plug had gotten slightly loose. So... That might have made the big difference with the light barrel. I'll have to go back next weekend to figure this one out. :/

Thanks for the advice you guys!
 
Definitely sounds like a gas system problem on the light barrel, as its short-stroking on even the maximum setting. But I suppose you've already figured that out with the gas plug being slightly loose? Genuinely curious if you'll see an improvement in accuracy with this sorted out, though.
 
Sounds like the chamber in the light barrel is rough and might need to be polished out . I have seen a few XCRL barrels that had very rough machining / lathe marks in the chamber causing extraction issues . I had to polish out one chamber with Flitz compound on a chamber mop connected to a power drill being careful not to touch the rifling . extracted fine after that .
 
Essentially the action wouldn't cycle back far enough to fully eject the round. Sometimes it would pull the casing partway out, it would get stuck, the bolt would continue to the rear, and pick up a new round and try to drive it into the chamber. Othertimes, stovepipes. It seems to pick up fresh rounds no problem...

I did some diagnosis this evening, and found that the gas plug had gotten slightly loose. So... That might have made the big difference with the light barrel. I'll have to go back next weekend to figure this one out. :/

Thanks for the advice you guys!

Hope that solves your reliability problems.
 
Embarrassed to admit it, but this is my first time seeing that magazine !....:cheers:

I got them from Wolverine Supplies.

Definitely sounds like a gas system problem on the light barrel, as its short-stroking on even the maximum setting. But I suppose you've already figured that out with the gas plug being slightly loose? Genuinely curious if you'll see an improvement in accuracy with this sorted out, though.

Hope that solves your reliability problems.

I hope that the loose plug was the issue too! Definitely would be an easy fix, unfortunately I didn't notice until I got home that day.

Sounds like the chamber in the light barrel is rough and might need to be polished out . I have seen a few XCRL barrels that had very rough machining / lathe marks in the chamber causing extraction issues . I had to polish out one chamber with Flitz compound on a chamber mop connected to a power drill being careful not to touch the rifling . extracted fine after that .

If I find that the gas plug wasn't the cause of the problems, this is where I'll investigate next. I think that some chamber polishing would be a smart idea if that is the case. And if I do have to polish it, then I'll definitely take your advice to use the barrel mop on a drill very carefully… Cheers!
 
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