MOA or MRAD Adjust?

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I'm looking at getting a Falcon Menace 4-14x44FFP and don't know which one to pick. What are the benefits from one to the other.

I know a little about MOA adjust but nothing about MRAD as there isn't much text about them.

Please inform me with the math and or some good reading materiel.

ML16 Reticle / MOA Adjustment
ML16 Reticle / MRAD Adjustment

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It all depends what you want to use them for. Target shooters use known fixed distances their targets (and plot sheets) are all sized in MOA. simple 1MOA = 1" at 100 yards, 2" at 200 3" at 300 etc.

I have a couple of ballistics programs and they all output in MOA - not milrads.

If it gets more complicated than that, I need to wear a diaper and a hockey helmet.
 
1 click of a 1/4 min scope is .25" at 100 (Approx)
1 click of a Mil scope is .36" at 100 (Approx)

MOA scope has finer adjustments than the Mil scopes per click.
 
My thoughts are if you are going to truly "use" a mil marked reticle than you should go with mil adjustments. Makes things alot easier.
 
it makes more sense to use mil/mil rather than mil/moa.. unfortunately some scope makers don't do it this way "yet" (Leupold) but most high end tactical scopes are now available with mil/mil... if you're not driving a mil-dot reticle then moa ajustments would be the way to go
 
Once you get used to it I found mils to be pretty easy.There is less math if you are familiar with centimetres.Yes adjustments are a wee bit coarser but if you are looking at something with mill dots its very easy to figure out how much to dial on or off.
 
kungfushurfu said:
it makes more sense to use mil/mil rather than mil/moa.. unfortunately some scope makers don't do it this way "yet" (Leupold) but most high end tactical scopes are now available with mil/mil... if you're not driving a mil-dot reticle then moa ajustments would be the way to go
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Very few mil/mil, unless you start getting in the "stupid-expensive" category. My 6500 Elite is mil/moa. I would have preferred mil/mil, but dropping nearly a grand on a scope was hard enough to swallow to begin with!
 
Longshot said:
Once you get used to it I found mils to be pretty easy.There is less math if you are familiar with centimetres.Yes adjustments are a wee bit coarser but if you are looking at something with mill dots its very easy to figure out how much to dial on or off.
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Hensoldt does a scope with .5 mil adjustments if anyone feels mils are too coarse.
 
redleg said:
Hensoldt does a scope with .5 mil adjustments if anyone feels mils are too coarse.
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Did you mean .05?

Most Mil scopes I have used adjust in 0.1 mil increments ~.36 inches at 100 yard.


THe reason for the course adjustment should be obvious, the entire philosopy behind mil rads is to allow for rapid estimation of distances and then dial in and shoot. For F-class you have all the time you need, and you know the distance so playing with 1/8 clicks is not much a problem

Some of the military ones come in 0.25mil increments, the point with these is rapidly judge the distance to a 'Man' sized target, adjust the scope quickly, and then get off a shot into centre mass as fast as possible,
 
Object size(Meters) x 1000 divided by Object size in Mills = range in Meters
Object size (Inches) x 25.4 divided by Object size in Mills = range in Metres

Object size (Yards) x 1000 divided by Object size in Mills = range in Yards
Object size (inches) x 27.77 divided by Object size in Mills = range in Yards.

Example - 72" target = 4 mills
72 x 25.4 - 1828.8
1828.8 / 4 = 457.2 Meters
 
redleg said:
Hensoldt does a scope with .5 mil adjustments if anyone feels mils are too coarse.
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Cool to know - but the OP should be wary of the prices he'll be expecting for that brand ;). You get what you pay for, from what I've read.

Regarding MOA vs. Mils (MRads), just pick whatever unit (a meter or a yard) that you can best eyeball or that you work with in general, but make sure your POI adjustments match the units of the reticule.
 
I went through that dilema myself and ended up with MLRD-16 and MOA knobs. The friggin' long range simulator trained me so well that it was a step back for me, plus every one talks MOA when adjusting for trajectory here in NA.
 
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