Model 1400 safety

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Winchester Model 1400 Semi auto shotgun.

When the firearm is cocked the safety shifts on and off. When in the on position the trigger is locked and the firearm cannot be fired. As expected.

When the firearm in NOT cocked the safety does not slide to the on position. The safety remains in the off position only.
This is not as expected.

Solutions?

Z.
 
If it is what I'm thinking, the safety has rotated and the detent pin is not where it is supposed to be. The button will have to be removed and put back correctly. Sounds like a quick fix from a knowledgeable gunsmith.
 
undertaker said:
alot of safeties do not move unless the firearms is cocked

Most of my O/U shotguns are the same, bolt action rifle too
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On no, the safety is supposed to move in and out, cocked or uncocked.
The users manual also plainly states to enguage the safety when one disassembles the gun. Besides the set up is the same as the model 1200 and that safety moves on both counts.

hmmm, detent pin. I'll have a look at that before I head off to a GS.

Thanks for the info

Z
 
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On no, the safety is supposed to move in and out, cocked or uncocked.
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If the safety has rotated 180 degrees for some reason, the detent ball or pin is engaging on the opposite side where the sear setup would be and will not allow movement of the ball or pin.
Just going from memory, and I am getting older.:confused:
I had this happen with a Winchester Model 88 some years ago and I'm guessing that Winchester hadn't changed the setup.
 
I am doing this from old memory.. I haven't worked on a 1400 for a long time...

I am thinking if the safety is engaged so the trigger can not be pulled back to release the hammer, the hammer is cocked... and the trigger is blocked...

If the hammer is in the fired position... the trigger has to be in a fired position.. on the 1400 I thought the hammer (when forward) held the trigger down in the fired position... and if that is the case, the safety can not be engaged.

Maybe I am wrong on this but I think for the safety to engage on 1400 requires the hammer to be cocked...

At any rate if your 1400 is working fine and you can only engage the safety if it ready to fire, what is the problem? If the hammer is not cocked, why would you need the safety to be engaged?

Come on someone with another 1400 - let us know...
 
zebra26 said:
On no, the safety is supposed to move in and out, cocked or uncocked.
The users manual also plainly states to enguage the safety when one disassembles the gun. Besides the set up is the same as the model 1200 and that safety moves on both counts.
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the safety is supposed to move in and out, cocked or uncocked.... Are you sure? I am not...

I think the user manual states to engage the safety because they want the hammer back and the trigger locked for disassembly ... they do not want it in the fired position... I know you can run into problems with the hammer forward on disassembly...
 
managed to dig up a manual for the 1400. Sure enough it states to engage the safety when one disassembles the gun and that includes removal of the trigger assembly.
It also states to not pull the trigger after disassembly.

hmmm something is wrong with the safety.

I'll have a look at turning it 180° and see.

Curious now, during disassembly should the gun be cocked or uncocked. My impression was always to have the gun uncocked before takedown.

Z.
 
zebra26 said:
managed to dig up a manual for the 1400. Sure enough it states to engage the safety when one disassembles the gun and that includes removal of the trigger assembly.
It also states to not pull the trigger after disassembly.

hmmm something is wrong with the safety.

I'll have a look at turning it 180° and see.

Curious now, during disassembly should the gun be cocked or uncocked. My impression was always to have the gun uncocked before takedown.

Z.
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Why are you taking it apart - does it not work? Do you know how to fix it?

Believe me... the hammer should be cocked and the safety on when you are taking it apart... and it should be left that way unless you know what you are doing... with the trigger assembly out of the action the hammer can go forward more than you want it to, and other parts can get out of place...

...or take it apart any way you want and then take out all the screws, pins and parts... mix them up in a bag, lose a few and try and make it work again...
 
zebra26 said:
Winchester Model 1400 Semi auto shotgun.

When the firearm is cocked the safety shifts on and off. When in the on position the trigger is locked and the firearm cannot be fired. As expected.

When the firearm in NOT cocked the safety does not slide to the on position. The safety remains in the off position only.
This is not as expected.

Solutions?

Z.
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Time to change expectations. When the hammer is down, the safety cannot be engaged.
 
Well there you go... I had a look at a model 1200 pump, same set up and indeed the safety only engages when the gun is cocked.
Just got off the phone with a buddy who it turns out has a 1400 hidden away in his cabinet. Ask him the same question, said he didn't know but would have a look. Same deal, only engages when the gun is cocked.
Well, sorry for causing the bother. Just goes to show, all this talk reminds me its time to get another shotgun...right I already did that just before christmas.

Thank you gentleman.
 
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