Modern varmint
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If you are asking that question, then its likely not the gun you want.
No offense and not trying to be snarky but if someone asked how heavy of farm equipment the new 650 horsepower Z06 could pull, you would suggest they look in another direction.
Agreed, why spend $3500+ on a rifle you plan to shoot junk ammo through. Not trying do discourage you from buying one but the rifle is best suited to someone who can afford to run premium ammo or handload for it, it's not a gravel pit plinking rifle.
If you just want something non restricted to run bulk ammo through there are cheaper options out there that will do that. I would look at a used XCR or Tavor as they can both be had for under $2000 on the EE which would leave a pile of cash for an optic and ammo and both are accurate enough for coyote or gopher hunting if you try a few different types of ammo and find what the rifle likes.
There have been a few reports and with quality ammo the accuracy and reliability is good but not all ammo feeds well.
Back to the old "you wouldn't fill up a Ferrari with regular unleaded would you" analogy.
Check out the ATRS forum in the dealers section if you want more info. Sounds like a great rifle if you understand what it was designed to do and don't try to feed it junk.
If you go to the ATRS website you will see that they are tested to run American Eagle 55gr reliably and I've read one report of someone getting around one moa from it but I'm a little skeptical of that as I've shot that ammo through a couple rifles with match grade barrels and haven't seen those results, cheap ammo doesn't typically make tight groups.
I'm in the process of selling off a few things so I can place my order for one. I already have three non restricted semi auto 223's so something should probably be sold before I buy another one
Then do a little research before asking questions, all the answers you're looking for are at your fingertips and have already been asked and answered in the forums. You'll find that a lot of the guys are sick of the same questions coming up every week and you will get some semi rude answers if you are the one asking again.
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That's not fair. The ATRS MV is expensive because it's the ONLY "AR15" in Canada that is NR, because it's only made by one boutique manufacturer. Just because someone is forced to pay a premium for an NR "Ar15" and saves up really hard to buy it because there are no other options, doesn't mean they automatically have to shoot boutique ammo. ATRS test their rifles using AE ammo, that's a good enough answer for me. I wouldn't shoot Norinco crap though, but bulk American ammo or military grade surplus 556? No problem. It's a Humvee, not a Z06.
ATRS Shaun
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I expect he has likely already perused the other thread, which is likely why this thread appears in the Black and Green section, instead of in our sponsored section.
Unfortunately these threads in the black and green forum usually turn into drama central.
Many of our customers who have provided excellent threads, range reports and feedback in this section have opted to delete the threads rather than try to explain themselves. 
Now I personally, have been 'out of the game' for four months and just returning, but I've kept in touch and up to speed on all Modern Varmint developments. And I have not seen, or heard, of a single reported instance of rifle malfunction in a Modern Varmint.
We do not condone using 'cheap' ammo, but that does not mean we insist you must only run gold medal match. Hardly, our definition of 'cheap' is essentially summarised as off-shore surplus and the likes. American Eagle is perfectly good, and affordable, plinking ammo.
I would put it to you this way... "The Modern Hunter is to the AR10, as the Modern Varmint is to the AR15." All are different firearms, but they have the same engines behind them in their operating systems and where there is overlap of parts. ATRS has been manufacturing our AT15, one of the best AR15's on the planet, for nearly a decade with 4 Generations of upgrades and development.
Then we took a shot in the dark to develop the Modern Hunter, a break through in Canadian firearms, where we had a couple of hiccups with pmag changes and delays working with new suppliers.
All of that development and acquired knowledge went into building the Modern Varmint.
Unfortunately these threads in the black and green forum usually turn into drama central.
Many of our customers who have provided excellent threads, range reports and feedback in this section have opted to delete the threads rather than try to explain themselves. Now I personally, have been 'out of the game' for four months and just returning, but I've kept in touch and up to speed on all Modern Varmint developments. And I have not seen, or heard, of a single reported instance of rifle malfunction in a Modern Varmint.
We do not condone using 'cheap' ammo, but that does not mean we insist you must only run gold medal match. Hardly, our definition of 'cheap' is essentially summarised as off-shore surplus and the likes. American Eagle is perfectly good, and affordable, plinking ammo.
I would put it to you this way... "The Modern Hunter is to the AR10, as the Modern Varmint is to the AR15." All are different firearms, but they have the same engines behind them in their operating systems and where there is overlap of parts. ATRS has been manufacturing our AT15, one of the best AR15's on the planet, for nearly a decade with 4 Generations of upgrades and development.
Then we took a shot in the dark to develop the Modern Hunter, a break through in Canadian firearms, where we had a couple of hiccups with pmag changes and delays working with new suppliers.
All of that development and acquired knowledge went into building the Modern Varmint.
angrysoldier
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I find most guys who Poh Poh on cheap ammo and rifles who go to the range and shoot 10 moa all day then blame it on too much coffee or to much sun. I built my AR from parts from many sources and it shoots 1 moa. I have a two type 97s and one shoots sub moa( I got a good one). Alberta tatical builds fine rifles that shoot very well, but some of the owners don't like getting out shot by guys like myself. One of my buddies has a 10 k custom built rifle he imported but Past 600 meters I out shoot him every time, my Ruger precision rifle with my 1300 dollar scope beats his 10000 dollar rig. But what you want, shoot how you want to but don't crap on people who are trying to save a few dollars when they shoot for fun.
What's not fair? There are a few other options out there that are non restricted that will cost close to half what a MV costs once you add an option or two then tax and shipping.
A MV is not an AR and saying it is doesn't do anyone any favors when the wrong people read an open public forum and jump on the ban wagon.
A regular AR is more like the Humvee, this is a hand fitted precision semi auto with a match grade barrel. Yes it shares a few parts with an AR but so do some of the other non restricted 223 rifles, it makes sense to use easy to find parts rather than manufacture everything in house which would increase production time and cost.
It will feed AE 55gr but if you want to see what the rifle is actually capable of then you're going to have to spend $1+ every time you pull the trigger.
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If someone is trying to save a few dollars shooting just for fun the MV probably isn't the best choice.
I've done the same thing building AR's on the cheap, all you need is a quality barrel and a half decent optic and most AR's will shoot moa or better with decent ammo.
I think your friend needs to handload or at least try some different ammo, results will probably change drastically. Barrel and ammo need to like each other to see the true potential of a rifle system.
I disagree, if you want to buy a mv to train and compete with, as it is being done and advertised by another fellow here, and you are planning on shooting minimum 1000 rounds per month with it, you are not going to shoot hornady vmax, you are going to shoot factory bulk ammo.
nothing wrong with asking how a pricey rifle handles cheap ammo.
I shoot a lot of steel and I do a lot of courses, Im not going to shoot 1$ per round, and I want a rifle that is top of the line.
I agree with you that if a guy wants the best and wants to train with the best he's free to do so but I don't understand why you would buy a $3500-$4000 rifle with a stainless match grade barrel just to burn it out slamming thousands of rounds through it with cheap ammo when a chrome lined or nitrided chromolly barrel will provide more than enough accuracy to do what you describe and will last 20000-30000 rounds compared to the stainless barrel that probably won't survive half of that before accuracy degrades.
A $1500 AR would be way better suited to training and courses. If a guy has money to burn then it's not much of a concern but it's just not really the right tool for the job.
mildcustom2
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I personally wouldn't shoot 1,000 rounds per month through a naked, or non-chrome lined barrel. Would get too hot and burn out your barrel. Unless of course you plan on rebarreling and so it's no problem. My MV on order is going to be my match rifle. The pinker is a cheap, but well made m&p sport.
onetwentyish
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Mine will be fed a diet of PMC 55gr .223, PMC 62gr 5.56 Xtac, some Federal 55gr .223, and a handfull of performance ammo for accuracy.
I hope for 3moa or better for the bulk stuff, and 1moa or better with the premium stuff. I expect reliability to be pretty unanimous as exellent, but that remains to be seen when I get mine at the end of the month with the Proof barrel installed. I allready have plans to do a light weight "high consumption" upper in the future with a less expensive barrel option for more of a 3 gun/hard use plinker build so as to not wear out my Proof barrel on my bulk shooting prematurely.
I hope for 3moa or better for the bulk stuff, and 1moa or better with the premium stuff. I expect reliability to be pretty unanimous as exellent, but that remains to be seen when I get mine at the end of the month with the Proof barrel installed. I allready have plans to do a light weight "high consumption" upper in the future with a less expensive barrel option for more of a 3 gun/hard use plinker build so as to not wear out my Proof barrel on my bulk shooting prematurely.
Sounds good! I have heard that a typical .223 barrel is good for 7,000 plus accurate shots. Of course, how long your strings are and how cool the barrel gets affect the throat life. But in terms of shooting life, I have heard of .223 chrome-lined barrels going for 20,000 plus shots.
noveske stainless match barrels with noveske match mod 0 chambers are accuracy rated for 30000 rounds. I have 2 of those barrels.
