mono bullets expansion video
- Thread starter WhelanLad
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Well; I tried to watch it. These things always seem to come back to 100% weight retention being the be all and end all of bullet performance, at least when combined with 100% expansion. You can look at a 100% expanded mono and get all excited, or you can wonder what else does. The answer to that is just about everything. I’m to the point where if someone tells me a bullet expanded I wait patiently for them to say “and I guess thats better than nothing”. Doesn’t seem to happen much though. Seriously if the best thing you can say about a bullets performance is it expanded the show is either been over fir awhile or it never got started in the first place.
Trouble with putting a lot of consideration into retained weight is animals don’t weigh the bullet to determine if they’re dead or not. They have a lot of trouble ignoring the hole it makes though, and thats where the real story is.
You can take most pretty boringly ordinary bullets and given sufficient velocity it’ll blow a wound channel the size and shape of a football. Drop the impact velocity or follow the same bullet through the wound channel and that decreases to a wide wound about like my wrist which is still effective killing though its going to be slow. Lacks the spectacular killing of the football. Next down the line is the expanded bullet that on a good day makes a hole the size of the expanded bullet. This is the better than nothing stage, or one step above not expanding at all, which might as well be nothng.
Call them stages 1,2,3 and 4 if you want. (Sorry Harley)
Most hunting, at most distances is handled best with stage 1.Monos start at stage 2. Near as I can tell after driving them above 3900 fps is thats all hey are ever going to do.
Trouble with putting a lot of consideration into retained weight is animals don’t weigh the bullet to determine if they’re dead or not. They have a lot of trouble ignoring the hole it makes though, and thats where the real story is.
You can take most pretty boringly ordinary bullets and given sufficient velocity it’ll blow a wound channel the size and shape of a football. Drop the impact velocity or follow the same bullet through the wound channel and that decreases to a wide wound about like my wrist which is still effective killing though its going to be slow. Lacks the spectacular killing of the football. Next down the line is the expanded bullet that on a good day makes a hole the size of the expanded bullet. This is the better than nothing stage, or one step above not expanding at all, which might as well be nothng.
Call them stages 1,2,3 and 4 if you want. (Sorry Harley)
Most hunting, at most distances is handled best with stage 1.Monos start at stage 2. Near as I can tell after driving them above 3900 fps is thats all hey are ever going to do.
Some of us like to eat what we shoot and don’t want a hole the size of a football through an animal. If you are shooting things just to kill them then do whatever. But I have never lost a game animal due to a non football sized hole through it.
There’s nothing inside the riibcage that I’m interested in eating.. Belt them through tje shoulders and you have a mess either way.
Personal preferences aside bullets do what they do, which is kill by doing damage. Its pretty inescapable that more damage equates to faster kills.
Personal preferences aside bullets do what they do, which is kill by doing damage. Its pretty inescapable that more damage equates to faster kills.
also with Dogleg...less steps to the animal after the shot possible, I have no love for bonded bullets either, used several....but the most drt's and short recoveries for me come from the squishy cup and core style bullets, I compensate for not having the 'partition' for holding the tail together by simply shooting a higher than usual sd bullet to ensure I get similar performance to a partition in that the front end grenades but there's enough tail to keep it going far enough for game intended...I love eld-m's in higher than typical sd's
well here's some suggestions then
1. don't shoot mono's until you have to, enjoy the inflight ballistics advantages and shorter recoveries while you can
2. keep some empty boxes around from 'tipped mono' ammo for your hunting pack and truck
3. stock up on a couple lifetimes supply of tipped non-mono cup/core bullets
4. reload tipped...non mono ammo....and keep it in the 'tipped mono boxes' for when you're afield should you get checked by the ole fish coppers
they want to play games....play games back
there may have been a beer or two involved in this reply
I wanted to like the koolaid. Even at weatherby speeds on an average bear the mono’s delayed killing and limited wounding could have been a real problem. I doubt I’d ever give them another shot, pun intended. Maybe in more open regions this isn’t an issue.
Nosler partitions, ballistic tips, hornady ftx and xtp have all performed well for me on game.
Nosler partitions, ballistic tips, hornady ftx and xtp have all performed well for me on game.
yep i agree with this, i said i was goin to load 10 monos, keep 5 in the lock box, an 2 in the back pack...... fark em.well here's some suggestions then
1. don't shoot mono's until you have to, enjoy the inflight ballistics advantages and shorter recoveries while you can
2. keep some empty boxes around from 'tipped mono' ammo for your hunting pack and truck
3. stock up on a couple lifetimes supply of tipped non-mono cup/core bullets
4. reload tipped...non mono ammo....and keep it in the 'tipped mono boxes' for when you're afield should you get checked by the ole fish coppers
they want to play games....play games back
there may have been a beer or two involved in this reply
Non toxic bullets; something anti-gunners, anti-hunters and the makers of monos can agree on.
The anti-gunners would love to ban vast stocks of existing ammo; but would only view it a start.
The anti-hunters just hate hunters, any stick in your eye is fine with them.
When the Brooks got into bed with anti-gunners to push non-toxic law it probably wasn't because they hate guns or hunting; I guess they just like money. Don't get me wrong; I like money too, but there are some things I won't do to make it.
The anti-gunners would love to ban vast stocks of existing ammo; but would only view it a start.
The anti-hunters just hate hunters, any stick in your eye is fine with them.
When the Brooks got into bed with anti-gunners to push non-toxic law it probably wasn't because they hate guns or hunting; I guess they just like money. Don't get me wrong; I like money too, but there are some things I won't do to make it.
Hand Skills
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- In the 'heartland', southern SK
Monumetals have come a long way in the last 25 years. Around the turn of the century I swore I'd never use another.
Now they're about all I shoot!!
I still consider a 30cal 180gr Nosler Partition the benchmark for 'NA big game' terminal performance, but I know of at least one 'mono' that exceeds this benchmark . Hammers;
-function more consistently across a wider velocity window (impact velocity is a thing)
-do more internal damage, with paradoxically less meat loss (bloodshot is a thing)
what makes partitions unique is the combination of a fragmenting nose and a penetrating shank.
Hammer took this one step further by engineering petals to track along the shank, some of their lines are better thannothers in this respect, but all result in mass hemorrhage - imagine a buckshot wound pattern with 'broadhead' like cuts. The copper is designed to be sharp, and 'cut' through vital tissue instead of tearing. Cuts bleed faster.
I have no affiliation with Hammer - just a born again true believer
Now they're about all I shoot!!
I still consider a 30cal 180gr Nosler Partition the benchmark for 'NA big game' terminal performance, but I know of at least one 'mono' that exceeds this benchmark . Hammers;
-function more consistently across a wider velocity window (impact velocity is a thing)
-do more internal damage, with paradoxically less meat loss (bloodshot is a thing)
what makes partitions unique is the combination of a fragmenting nose and a penetrating shank.
Hammer took this one step further by engineering petals to track along the shank, some of their lines are better thannothers in this respect, but all result in mass hemorrhage - imagine a buckshot wound pattern with 'broadhead' like cuts. The copper is designed to be sharp, and 'cut' through vital tissue instead of tearing. Cuts bleed faster.
I have no affiliation with Hammer - just a born again true believer
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- sudbury, ontario
I’ve been using barns for awhile now 25-06,barns ttsx 100grs at 3100fps….now I remember reading somewhere or it was a video that (the real gunsmith talked about) that if velocity drops below 2200 fps the bullet doesn’t open up and then acts like a solid at longer distances, now if one shoots well over 400 meters say up to 700…that’s a far shot, will the bullet do its job! at those distances or farther …I constantly whack deer at the 300…350 meter distance only cause it’s a big buck walking across a small opening, no I can’t pick up and move cause I have my stand on a scaffolding but let me tell you the damage done is massive .1/2’ or 3/4’ hole and black about 8-14” all around …..and yes your results will vary
Now talking about the bigger caliber…for example I have these spots where I go for moose old cuts and every time I go I see moose but 500, 600 meters away (or at the other end of the clear cut I do have a 338 win mag 210 ttsx my own load flying at 2900fps….yes got the scope ..Schmidt and bender 5-20 …but still not %100 sure about taking the shot, and now after seeing that video that the real gunsmith put up it makes me wonder switch to nosler partions ?
Anyone care to share
Thanks Davide
Now talking about the bigger caliber…for example I have these spots where I go for moose old cuts and every time I go I see moose but 500, 600 meters away (or at the other end of the clear cut I do have a 338 win mag 210 ttsx my own load flying at 2900fps….yes got the scope ..Schmidt and bender 5-20 …but still not %100 sure about taking the shot, and now after seeing that video that the real gunsmith put up it makes me wonder switch to nosler partions ?
Anyone care to share
Thanks Davide
Hollow Point
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- New Brunswick
the field sports channel did a big comparison on copper bullets as well. worth a watch if your interested in switching to non lead bullets.
Barnes hasn't failed me yet. Especially the ones made for a certain cartridge. Not finding them wanting at all. Might it happen some day? Sure, but not yet. If, someday, there ends up being any reason to desire NOT using monos, I'll think about it. Hasn't happened yet.
Not super worried about human lead consumption but don't mind voluntarily cutting back on the lead that ends up as scavengers. Just my take on the "hunter as a conservationist" ideal.
Not super worried about human lead consumption but don't mind voluntarily cutting back on the lead that ends up as scavengers. Just my take on the "hunter as a conservationist" ideal.
