More N.W.T. hunters charged with wasting caribou meat

D_ said:
Funny when I lived up in Yellowknife it was always some greasy white boys who always took a quarter at the most and dropped several cariboo in the process.

I recently went up north to the area (born and raised in Yellowknife) and all you see are newfies with guns. I only went out once and didnt see anything. No cariboo anywhere near YK these days. This has the locals concerned right now.

$500 is a joke.

How did this turn into a native bashing thread? Don't know if I was in 'season' when I went up and sure didnt have any papers - I dont need them.
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You're joking right? The "newfies with guns" are some of the most serious hunters we have here. I have seen with my own eyes several "natives" shooting caribou with .22 10/22 rugers. I have witnessed almost every winter, in my 10 here, dozens of caribou shot and left on the ice roads, all very near "native" communities.
And the lack of caribou in the YK area wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that the diamond mine iceroads have hundreds of trucks a day going right through the migration paths. If I was a caribou, I would surely change my route too, awful noisy. I think you are terribly out of touch with whats going on around here bud.
 
sgt.rock said:
You're joking right? The "newfies with guns" are some of the most serious hunters we have here. I have seen with my own eyes several "natives" shooting caribou with .22 10/22 rugers. I have witnessed almost every winter, in my 10 here, dozens of caribou shot and left on the ice roads, all very near "native" communities.
And the lack of caribou in the YK area wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that the diamond mine iceroads have hundreds of trucks a day going right through the migration paths. If I was a caribou, I would surely change my route too, awful noisy. I think you are terribly out of touch with whats going on around here bud.
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D_ said:
Of course there is no cariboo because of the roads. Not what I stated at all pal.
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All I can make of your statement is that the newfies and the greasy white boys are the cause of the lack of caribou in the area. There are plenty of caribou, but they are now 200 km east near lutselke (snowdrift). Looks like they got tired of dodging Mack trucks and made like the wind, and took off.
Since we have a quota of 2 (males, no females) and the natives have NO quota , nor do they have to report any kills, I find it hard to see your point, other than becoming offended at some previous posts, and in the spirit of ethical hunting, you decided to point the blame at others that you have no proof of doing anything wrong.
I love it when people get upset at racial stereotyping, yet can't wait to do it themselves "in defence". It certainly makes us all look mature. There are always a few bad apples in every barrel, but don't lump me in with the a$$holes who waste meat. I have yet to fill all my tags each year, because if I can't eat it, I don't shoot it. We, up until last year, had a quota of 5 any ### caribou, but I at most shot 2 each year, and even then, I had to give away a bit to make sure it got eaten and not freezerburned.
Bad people and bad hunters come in all shapes/sizes/colors/races. Lets not over-react until we know who they were. I, for one, have contacted my MLA and requested he look into the fines and penalties for criminal hunters. These guys leave a bad taste in my mouth, and in the future may be responsible for me having to get all my meat at the grocery store.
 
And of course it doesn't help that we have the largest land mass of any Province/territory, yet we have the fewest wildlife officers to patrol it. I have had a hell of a time in the past trying to find someone to report an offence to while out in the bush. An awful lot of real estate up here, and that makes it real hard to keep the dikheads in check.
I had a real problem with 2 "native canadians" 3 years ago on the ice road. I came upon a medium sized herd of about 60 caribou. My partner and I shot 3 in total, and had dragged them over to a sheltered area of the lake (because it was -38c and pretty windy). These 2 yahoos show up (both with 10/22's and banana clips) and began a shooting gallery and emptied at least 100 rounds at the various animals on the lake.
Some of the caribou started to run in every direction, including towards us, and the a$$holes then continued shooting including our direction. I started yelling at the top of my lungs "HEY HEY were here!!! Stop STOP!!!" but they kept shooting. So I loaded a clip and fired off 2 warning shots to get their attention. They stopped long enough for me to hop on my skidoo and drive directly over to them and ask them what the hell were they thinking. They said "fukkin whitey, your on my land BLAH BLAH BLAH" I said, you're shooting an illegal big game caliber there, and if you don't want to be buried "ON YOUR LAND" you better smarten up. They then stopped talking to me, got on their P.O.S machines, and dragged the 3 closest animals that they shot off to the road, and took off.
I was pretty shaken at the whole thing, went back and quickly finished dressing our animals, and loaded them up. Then went back and surveyed the damage they had done. Several caribou were obviously wounded as there were blood trails leading off the lake in many directions. I spent the next 2 hours looking for a wildlife officer to report it all to. I gave the best description of the 2 guys I could, along with a description of one of the snowmobiles, but the stress of the situation, and actual fear of being shot by the criminals, made me not pay enough attention to the better details. The RCMP and wildlife members said I did OK, but no one was ever found, and no one was ever charged. AND LET ME TELL YOU, These 2 sweethearts certainly weren't "GREASY WHITE BOYS OR NEWFIES". So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
 
D_ said:
I recently went up north to the area (born and raised in Yellowknife) and all you see are newfies with guns.

How did this turn into a native bashing thread? Don't know if I was in 'season' when I went up and sure didnt have any papers - I dont need them.
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I'm the only Newfoundlander that has posted in this thread, I guess you are directing that comment to me? Trying to get a rise out of me?

:kickInTheNuts: to you D, you assclown.

I didn't come on here to disrespect anyone. I don't lump all Native People into one group because there are good and bad examples just like there are poor excuses for people in every other race. I've spent time in Nunavut, I've seen the good and bad.
 
Hey machine, you're not the only Newfie that replied, I just didn't see the need to give myself an identity, when the A$$clown was making generalizations about something he obviously has no idea about. We are all people here D, and the issue at hand is that HUNTERS are fukking up, and it makes it hard on the rest of us honest guys. So lets all smarten the hell up, and help raise awareness of the fact that its not cool or right to do this. My post above was only made because I became offended at the BS being spewed by D, obviously trying to deflect any possible blame away from Natives. No one knows who the hunters were, so blaming anyone is purely moot.
Lets get this thread back on track, and try to raise awareness of the fact that breaking the law and wasting meat just isn't right. But try as we might, there is always gonna be a percentage of the population that doesn't think the laws apply to them.
Thats where stiffer laws and penalties should come in. I have no problem with lifetime bans on hunting and firearm ownership if you blatantly break laws that are there to protect the animals and give the rest of us a fighting chance to feed our families.
 
There is a MNR Reporting Station at KM 65 on the way into Whati/Gameti/Wekweeti/Colomac, just after Marion and Rat lakes...

This is nothing new.

Every year there is a story in News North or a local paper, about someone finding a pile of half butchered caribou (usually) left to rot.

I've seen a lot of BS in my years up here, and they'll only stop finding the wasted animals when there are none left to waste.

Sad, but true.


PS. When you have a group of people who have NO regulation whatsoever when it comes to 'hunting'...what do you think is going to happen? Racist? Perhaps a little, but I've seen what the lack of rules does...oh the stories I could tell...:(



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Does anyone know if it is a $500 total fine or $500 per animal ?

$500 x dozens of animals = slightly more acceptable result (and they should still be tossed in the slammer)
 
tim_up_north said:
There is a MNR Reporting Station at KM 65 on the way into Whati/Gameti/Wekweeti/Colomac, just after Marion and Rat lakes...

This is nothing new.

Every year there is a story in News North or a local paper, about someone finding a pile of half butchered caribou (usually) left to rot.

I've seen a lot of BS in my years up here, and they'll only stop finding the wasted animals when there are none left to waste.

Sad, but true.


PS. When you have a group of people who have NO regulation whatsoever when it comes to 'hunting'...what do you think is going to happen? Racist? Perhaps a little, but I've seen what the lack of rules does...oh the stories I could tell...:(



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Hey Tim,
I have stopped at that station 2 times in the last 2 years, and being honest not racist, both times, the "affirmative action" watchdog was 1) in 2007- stoned to high heaven. I pulled up, and waited for him to come out. No sign of anyone. I blew my horn several times. Then got out and knocked on the door. I looked in the window, and the guy was sound asleep at 3pm. I opened the door and the smell of pot would have knocked up a nun. It was funny that after I shook him for about 2 minutes he slowly woke up and said "what do you want???". Then he got up and took the hash pipe off the table and the baggie of weed and stuffed it in his pocket. I had my buddy with me, and we just laughed at the situation and walked away, got in the truck and left.
2008) - pulled up to same shack. Waited about 2 minutes and had that "oh no, not again feeling. As I was getting out of the truck, the door opens and the new guy fell out the door into the snow. I just stood there saying to myself WTF??? He got up again and fell again . I got back in the truck, and he comes over to the passenger side. Hanging off the side view mirror, STINKING of booze, with his little clip board, I never actually made out anything he said to me or my buddy. He kept asking the same things over and over, and before he was done, he dropped his clipboard and pen. After he picked it up, he was leaning on the mirror and BROKE OFF MY PASSENGER SIDE MIRROR and fell down again. I just said to him "Get fukked buddy" and drove off. Ridiculous.
2009) drove by that shack 4 times over a 4 week period from late december to late january. No one home, not a soul around, didn't look lived in at all. No one to report to. THANK GOD
With guys like that watching our wildlife stocks, no wonder we are in the shape we're in. I reported them each time, and as usual .....obviously lots got done about it.
 
Wow where has this f'n thread gone eh ... natives, caucassion, red, black or blue ... whoever the fugtards are that did this make all hunters look bad. I don't care what race they are, if caught they should be tossed in jail for a term, have their equipment(rifles, camping gear, snowmachine, atv, etc) taken away and banned from hunting for a term(a dozen years comes to mind) ... it saddens me that this type of crap goes on in all of our provinces, territories in this great country of Canada ... saddens me ... :(

Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA

p.s. I'm 1/2 inuk and 1/2 Scottish ... I'd kicked the snot outta any native or white guy I caught pulling this sheit ... ;) ... every race and village has their idiots ... :D
 
Everyone who has posted above: please review your post.



If you used the word 'hunter' to describe an individual who behaves as those in the OP article do, please give yourself one swift kick in the balls.

Perhaps that will remind you in future that these scum are poachers, not hunters.


That is all.
 
Everyone who has posted above: please review your post.



If you used the word 'hunter' to describe an individual who behaves as those in the OP article do, please give yourself one swift kick in the balls.

Perhaps that will remind you in future that these scum are poachers, not hunters.


That is all.
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I thought that I used appropriate wording in my post.

Some of the so called "hunters" private parts should be cut off and left to rot.
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H4831 said:
When you are talking about the low fine, it is likely natives. Therefore,
1) They will never pay it, anyway, or
2) The government will give them the money to pay it.

Our Canadian natives, at least in BC, have been wasting meat since first observed by our earliest explorers. They kill all they can kill today and never worry about tomorrow, or next year.
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I can't agree totally with the comment of aboriginals wasting meat since day one... as with no refrigeration a kill would have to be consumed before it decomposed. If more was captured than could be consumed the aforementioned would result. This was basic survival and nothing more. This said, maybe the way we as a group surround a roast of meat on Sunday afternoon might be a throw back from our more primitive roots! But IMO, today a huge portion of aboriginal hunting has been corrupted way beyond reason. Shooting as much as one can any time of the day or night out of some F-250 V10 with modern high powered rifles, million candle power spot lights, GPS, cell phones, etc is not IMO subsistence hunting. This whole issue has been twisted so badly by special interest groups that act like spoiled children each time their way is not granted... by some completely gutless government system that operates like a manipulated parent.

Aboriginal hunting rights I do strongly believe in but with clearly defined operating parameters... not some mindless "shoot 20 ducks in the spring and kick em into the bushes just because ya can" thing. Oh and yes... the last time I checked we were well into the 21st century.
 
M12shooter said:
I can't agree totally with the comment of aboriginals wasting meat since day one... as with no refrigeration a kill would have to be consumed before it decomposed. If more was captured than could be consumed the aforementioned would result. This was basic survival and nothing more. This said, maybe the way we as a group surround a roast of meat on Sunday afternoon might be a throw back from our more primitive roots! But IMO, today a huge portion of aboriginal hunting has been corrupted way beyond reason. Shooting as much as one can any time of the day or night out of some F-250 V10 with modern high powered rifles, million candle power spot lights, GPS, cell phones, etc is not IMO subsistence hunting. This whole issue has been twisted so badly by special interest groups that act like spoiled children each time their way is not granted... by some completely gutless government system that operates like a manipulated parent.

Aboriginal hunting rights I do strongly believe in but with clearly defined operating parameters... not some mindless "shoot 20 ducks in the spring and kick em into the bushes just because ya can" thing. Oh and yes... the last time I checked we were well into the 21st century.
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There is an historical book on BC, entitled, Peace River Chronicles, printed in 1963, by Prescott Publishing Co.
There is a chapter describing a journey in 1916, made by Paul Haworth, into the Finlay River area. Mr. Haworth was an American Professor of History. This is an excert from the chapter, describing how the Haworth party encountered a group of Beaver Indians on the Finlay River.
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As has been said this is anything but hunting. I do not know what you might call it. As far as I am concerned people who act like this don't deserve to live on this planet. My father would make me look for hours for a "lowly duck" if I only winged it. Deer when wounded "which happens" would be tracked till dark and resumed again at daylight if need be. It was a cardinal sin to kill anything eatable and leave it in the bush, "wolves excluded". I am going to post this and then try to forget.
 
I'm a Newfoundlander and an ethical hunter. Just as my CGN buddies Otokiak and Why Not? are. It would be a privilege and an honour to go on a Moose hunt down here on the Rock with either gentleman, or a barren ground Caribou hunt on their stomping grounds. White, brown, black, purple with polka dots, it doesn't matter who are what our racial or cultural background is comprised of. We're ethical hunters.

I'm sure we all know more than our fair share of "asshats" with guns who will illegally kill big game for profit or "fun" and damn the consequences. These individuals are not hunters and I have zero respect for them.

For the individuals who slaughtered and wasted dozens of caribou in the story under discussion, I would hope they receive lengthy jail sentences, just as I would've liked to see the Quebec Innu who slaughtered the Joir River herd of endangered Woodland Caribou in Labrador. Unfortunately, all too often our flawed judicial system fails the victim when political considerations or the spectre of racisim vs. political correctness is interjected into the fray.

My disgust for those individuals is not racially oriented. I have many life-long friends of Innu and Inuit birth, who are also ethical hunters, and to a man, they condemn such atrocities; - just as I am disgusted by stories of individuals in my area selling quarters of moose or caribou.

True hunters were the first conservationists. It ticks me off to no extent that all too often the media will apply the title of "hunter" to these criminals; ultimately causing all of us to be tarred with the same brush.
 
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