Mosin 91/30 shoot session

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Picked up a 1933 Izhevsk 91/30 from Tradex. Barrel has moderate wear, but otherwise good. Has Ukraine refurbish stamp on it. Can't trace some of the cartouche symbols - re: large "2"stamped into wood of buttstock, just ahead of the butt plate. Gun also has tiny "H" symbols on many of the wooded parts - would this maybe be the inspector at the factory when the gun was made?
Cosmo wasn't bad - naptha and hot water got rid of it all easily.
Bought some FMJ MSF in 185 grain and went "pounding". Wow- what a beast. I couldn't get over the heat off the barrel after even five rounds.I was done after 40 shells. Reminded me of shooting high brass 3"turkey loads out of a light shotgun. At 75 yds, gun shot about 9"high, and a foot to the right (was expecting this after first doing some reading about the 300m sight-in and the bayonet deal. The groups were awful - maybe 12" groups. Wasn't expecting it to be this bad. Went home and found the California Mosin club site. Did not want to alter anything original on the gun, but saw there were a few things you could do to help improve accuracy. Cut and drilled an old 2.5mm thick brass hinge, and inserted it into the recoil lug well. Then cut two pieces of .010"brass shim stock, and bedded the back bolt on the action. Inserted a tiny brass washer under the trigger sears bolt, and used 1.5mm cork to shim the upper and lower forestock wood pieces. I stripped some 18ga wire and put a piece on the short front post sight. Saw that the sear edge was ragged, so buffed it straight with a felt wheel on the bench grinder, rubbed with Lee Valleye chromium dioxide honing paste.
Holy crap! A new gun - even with the crude front post job, I can get 2-3"groupings at 75yds. Used a brass drift and tapped the front site over, so windage is dead on. I like how this keeps the gun original - you can pull all these modifications off in less than 1 minute.
I think I'm going to cough-up $38 and order the custom front sight from that dude in the states (you can tap off your original hood and save it). New hood comes with a longer adjustable pin that is much narrower than the original, plus it comes in two fiber optic colours. I can see me popping a deer with this thing when I get the better sight.
Oh yah - one more thing. My gun had about 30 human hairs rammed-in behind the buttstock plate! Wonder if some poor German had been head-spanked with this thing.

Dave
 
For me, the MFS FMJ was a big problem for accuracy. Hitting about 8 inches right and high at 100yards. Groupings were bad.

It's way more accurate with old light ball surplus stuff. Currently using 60s Chinese(Czech) surplus. Shooting with the bayonette also made a huge difference.

I'm currently contemplating to sight it in without the bayo...but it's so cool with it on...just a pain.
 
http://www.smith-sights.com/
here's the site for the cheap Mosin front sights. Real bonus now - his prices are reduced right now. Sights are only $15 from now till labour day. $30 will get you a front target site, with additional red, green, and brass beads.
 
x2...just won a Mosin 91/30 and I have yet to fire it . I have zero experiance with these .
Looked on here for some tips on improving it and found nothing at all.
 
Here's the California site
http://www.socamo.com/
Lots of good stuff on here.
Go to 'Mosin tech" and click on Accurizing your Mosin, by Smith. Shows good detailed picks. I did exactly what is shown. I did not add the spring to the trigger, to make a two stage trigger. Give me a few minutes and I'll find the other good threads that I found.

dave
 
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/09/ralph/ralph%E2%80%99s-guide-to-your-first-mosin-nagant-9130-pt-3/
Another good site. Here's where they show you how to rig the front sight post with a piece of wire coating.
 
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinDisassembly.htm - really good description of stripping and assembly. Here's where I learned what the tools are that come in the kit, how to use the bolt tool to measure the firing pin height, etc.

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinCleaning.htm
Lots of good stuff on cleaning and maintenance.
 
http://russian-mosin-nagant-forum.com/information/marks/index.html
A good site with all the cartouche picks. helps you figure out the origin of your gun. If I remember correctly, the california Mosin club site has a good section on cartouches too.
 
http://www.longislandfirearms.com/forum/b-MS/
Last good site that I've managed to find. Lots of discussions on the Russian guns. Go on YouTube also - there are lots of good movies that show you how to strip and assemble the bolt, how to modifythe trigger, etc.
 
Thanks for the info :)
So far I have only gave it a good cleaning . I really like the balance of the
" Mosinka " and have just picked up some ammo for it today . I ordered a rubber butt pad, combination tool and some stripper clips off fleabay today
as well.
 
http://www.socamo.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=424
this is also off the california site under ""Mosin tech". It has the trigger shim pics that I did . Easy - you just unscrew the sear bolt and place a small washer under the sear. It made a big difference in my gun.

Also a good bedding technique using WeldBond epoxy. Only thing I don't like is that you're messing with the original gun, which is a no-no if you wish to preserve the historical value/appeal of the gun. I bedded an old Cooey Model 39 using this same epoxy technique. It made quite a difference.
 
Chalk River:

Not sure what others have been telling you, but you don't need a recoil pad! These things don't kick at all. The Russians would never think of putting a cast iron butt plate on something that kicked like a mule. Now I know why they drank so much Vodka!
 
Check his site again. I emailed him to confirm, and he does ship to Canada. You pay $15 for shipping. Note that he has two modes - the "service"mode is if you ship him your original sight, and he installs the pin, then ships back. The other option is to buy an entire new sight (which is what I did, so I can keep my original, as original). $39 will get you a new sight, with two pins. I chose the target and red. He also has original "pre-war"rear sights if your gun is war or post-war model. I guess the older guns had a better notch on the rear sight.
 
Re: stripper clips
I ordered new clips from Tradex when I bought the gun. Came in a pack of 5, made in China. I was not able to smoothly load a clip into my mag, and thought it was just me. Turns out that how you stack the bullets makes a difference.
Go to the smith-sights webpage and look at his little video about how to properly pyramid stack the clip, and remove the sharp edges on the new clip. I stacked my bullets as he indicated, and used a set of needlenose to flatten and slighly bend the clip edges in. Worked like a charm - now very easy to load 5 bullets smoothly.
 
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