Mosin markings?
- Thread starter mbogo3
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They're all re-built rifles; the diamond mark is one factory re-furbishment mark, as is the square-with-an-X on the middle one.
Most of the markings on Mosin rifles are rolled on the barrel, the receiver being the flat (or later round) mostly blank part on the bottom of your pictures. As such, it is possible to swap a new barrel into an old action at the factory to replace a shot-out one, leading to some incongruities as you've seen.
The first one is very nice: a late Soviet model with a very clear Imperial Russian eagle proof on an old hex receiver, so re-built at a very tough time in the war from anything they had available. Eagles would be found on any pre-Revolution (1917) guns, as well as some for a few years after due to the Civil War and also using up of existing parts.
Not the clearest shots; what's the mark in a box to the left of the serial on the '35? This was at the end of hex receiver production, so it's likely in its original configuration.
The Third is the standard marking for a Tula built in 1924-28:
ПЕРВЫЕ
ОРУЖЕИНЫЕ
ЗАВОДЫ
С.С.С.Р.
В ТУЛЕ
1927g.
Which means
First
Weapons
Plant
U.S.S.R.
In Tula
1927 Year
or something.
It would have started life as a Dragoon rifle, a shortened version of the 1891 model for cavalry. Un-fortunately like most it has been re-built to 1930 specifications (you can see the sight), still better than a regular 91/30 with its nice old markings, but only a little more collectible instead of A LOT.
Good collection.
The repository of all information Mosin is the site:
7.62x54R.net
Most of the markings on Mosin rifles are rolled on the barrel, the receiver being the flat (or later round) mostly blank part on the bottom of your pictures. As such, it is possible to swap a new barrel into an old action at the factory to replace a shot-out one, leading to some incongruities as you've seen.
The first one is very nice: a late Soviet model with a very clear Imperial Russian eagle proof on an old hex receiver, so re-built at a very tough time in the war from anything they had available. Eagles would be found on any pre-Revolution (1917) guns, as well as some for a few years after due to the Civil War and also using up of existing parts.
Not the clearest shots; what's the mark in a box to the left of the serial on the '35? This was at the end of hex receiver production, so it's likely in its original configuration.
The Third is the standard marking for a Tula built in 1924-28:
ПЕРВЫЕ
ОРУЖЕИНЫЕ
ЗАВОДЫ
С.С.С.Р.
В ТУЛЕ
1927g.
Which means
First
Weapons
Plant
U.S.S.R.
In Tula
1927 Year
or something.
It would have started life as a Dragoon rifle, a shortened version of the 1891 model for cavalry. Un-fortunately like most it has been re-built to 1930 specifications (you can see the sight), still better than a regular 91/30 with its nice old markings, but only a little more collectible instead of A LOT.
Good collection.
The repository of all information Mosin is the site:
7.62x54R.net
- Location
- On a resonably direct route in NS
Is it a 4 or more a Y looking thing (which is the Cyrillic letter U)?
Not immediately familiar with it, but it might be related to the barrel proof marks (which are usually a circled P, U, and K you can see on your other barrels). The thing is, the serial number has been off-set to make space for the box, but it's not part of the serial (and they're not lined up). Does it look like the serial was scrubbed off in post-war tinkering and then re-stamped? Can't find it on 7.62x54R.net either.
I've come to a decision: you shouldn't need to worry about strange markings; I'll take those confusing rifles off your hands.
Not immediately familiar with it, but it might be related to the barrel proof marks (which are usually a circled P, U, and K you can see on your other barrels). The thing is, the serial number has been off-set to make space for the box, but it's not part of the serial (and they're not lined up). Does it look like the serial was scrubbed off in post-war tinkering and then re-stamped? Can't find it on 7.62x54R.net either.
I've come to a decision: you shouldn't need to worry about strange markings; I'll take those confusing rifles off your hands.
- Location
- On a resonably direct route in NS
Yeesh, nobody likes to discuss Mosin variations?
OP has got some nice ones there.
OP has got some nice ones there.
There aren't very many mosin collectors on this forum. Unfortunately, the vast majority just see the mighty mosin as a "cheap shooter" to be used, abused & then discarded.
- Location
- On a resonably direct route in NS
Yeah, OP, take your train down a few lines to the MilSurp forum here; might get some appreciation in there.
gewehr76
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I've heard or read somewhere that in Russia/Ukraine its the barrel that is considered a weapon and is a main part of the firearm. while receiver is just a component that can be changed and can be owned without any registrations if its separated from the barrel. If these rifles are recent import then they are marked on the barrel with <GIS> in russian under the handguard with serial number and caliber.
